HORUS PRESENTS: WHY NoW???

[BuckToothed]

Reread, P4P opinion

Arguing circumstantial evidence is like putting pieces of a puzzle together.
knowing all along this your puzzle can never be fully complete because you do not have all the pieces which is hard evidence, something tangible or Indisputeable.

So therefore you put the puzzle together the best way you can hoping at the end of your argument the puzzle will still be able to produce a picture
even though it is missing pieces.

btw,
I am playing Modern Warfare 2 so forgive me, for being late to respond.

Out of the 5 bullets you have, only the 1st one is admissible.
You need to prove how his head got big beyond looking at pictures.
This is a physical proof that you can get if you have his head circumference from 3 yrs ago and compare it to todays, but it'll still be circumstancial that can only warrant further investigation.

The rest is just opinion that could be associated to him being FOTD.
Manny is not an ordinary fighter, he doesn't have to follow non-elite career history to be the best. You become the best for being BETTER than the rest.

Also, Pac only sued Mayweather because he is the culprit of the defamation claim. Those other boxers are just the result of Mayweather accusing Pac of PEDs. Like how you jail the drug dealer and not the drug users.

[koboy]

I dont have any proof to show hes guilty.

Now do me a favor and show me how he is innocent.

You are sending us back to the cotton fields with your mentality.
It's a shame that people like you exists, you need to give it a rest.

Very poignant, BuckToothed.

[led]

Why after all these years of tolerating and accepting the commission drug testing rules has the Mayweather decided that now is the time to deal with steroid and ped‘s usage in boxing?

Here is the answer.

The threat is real.

1. The quest for an Advantage

As the effects of Steroids & PED's continued to be debated, One outcome that the history of PED's and Steroids in sports today has given us is that as long as the REWARD out weigh the RISK in terms of taking and using Steroids & PED's versus the punishment.

They are going to be people who take them to get the advantage.
Having the advantage in professional sports is close to a unmeasurable variable that can only be weigh by it's risk/reward benefit.


*This is why you see, athletes working out and preparing in the OFF-season when they should be resting and recovering from the regular and post season. TO GET A ADVANTAGE

*This is why you see, athletes battles the elements of high altitudes, cold winds, hot temperatures, and etc. TO GET A ADVANTAGE

*This is why you see, athletes separate themselves from their spouses and children during intense training because for them they need all the focus they can get in order TO GET A ADVANTAGE

TO GET A ADVANTAGE is how drugs like steroids and PED's, creeps into the equation. Although the users out there whose intent maybe harmless, the ramifications
however of their actions in some cases are criminal.

2. Ordinary athletes to Extraordinary athletes


In theory, the people who are seeing the most rewards from using ped's & steroids. Are already extraordinary athletes when comparing them to the entire population. Less than a percent of a percent of a percent of people in the world are actually talented enough to participate in professional sports.

Meaning they are extremely gifted already, as a result if someone where to add power, speed, or endurance to an already extremely gifted athlete.
What you now have is not just an improved athlete, but in some cases in deadly weapon.

Imagine adding power,speed,and endurance to a athlete like a young Mike Tyson, Barry Bonds, Adrian Peterson, Lebron James, Marion Jones, etc, etc.

The the ramifications of what these kind of athletes could do to their opponents in the arena of competition should be unthinkable. However, due to the high usage of these drugs in this era we now understand. That PED's and steroids in majority of these cases work. Not only do they work, the turn ordinary athletes to extraordinary athletes. Furthermore, they turn once formidable competition into in boxing terms "sparring partners."

What makes this problem so serious is that the drugs that the users are now taking can not be detected with announce testing in majority of the cases.

examples: Mark McGuire, Marion Jones, Shane Mosley, Jose Canseco.
All known drugs users, however none of them ever tested positive for a drug test.

This is why there does not need to be no proven link between a positive test with steroids and PED's before we can have legitimate concerns about who could be possibly using these drugs. Such as the argument for Manny Pacquiao.

We as sports fans need to recognize that sports would improved and become is a lot safer place if athletes with the talent of Manny Pacquiao, and Floyd Mayweather are denied such advantages that PED's and steroids can offer through the actual threat of being caught through complete random drug testing.Then the REWARD would not be worth the RISK of being caught .

3. Anytime there is change people will always ask why now?
And usually those are the people who like thing just the way they are.

The question still remains, Why Manny Pacquiao?

Why ask for this new drug testing for this fight and not previous fights?

Simple.

Effective change in drug testing is impossible without effective precedence followed by even MORE effective momentum.
Put simply, the world of boxing would know that a new era has began when it come to better drug testing because the 2 bigger stars in the sport had made serious part of the fight.

As would be the case with Mayweather vs. Pacquiao.

Do some research.
Anytime there is change people will always ask why now?
And usually those are the people who like thing just the way they are.

So instead of asking why now?, how about asking why not now?

get your fact straight too.

if mayweather wanted change badly why not go to a governing body and ask YOUR ADVISE to state ur facts if its believable?

using peds is one of mayweathers tool to hype himself. whether you accept it or not maywaethers (fake) crusade is next to nil in affecting pacs reputation.

horus i think ur a funny guy. ur like mayweather suffering with grandiose delusion.

[Toda Caine]

People are acting like Pacquiao is the only one taking the test, Mayweather is too....

[BuckToothed]

People are acting like Pacquiao is the only one taking the test, Mayweather is too....

I don't think that is what is being argued... It's more of Floyd's motives for demanding OST and how genuine it is. If Floyd was sincere about "cleaning up boxing" then he should have done more than defaming Manny and therefore killing the fight of the decade.

[Toda Caine]

I don't think that is what is being argued... It's more of Floyd's motives for demanding OST and how genuine it is. If Floyd was sincere about "cleaning up boxing" then he should have done more than defaming Manny and therefore killing the fight of the decade.

If we want to go off motives....it was because he knew physcologically it'd bother Manny. He clearly blamed losing to Morales because they took his blood and it weakened him. It was not to duck the fight. He came back to fight Pacquiao. He's getting ridiculed for the "supposedly ducking" he did in the past.

[BuckToothed]

If we want to go off motives....it was because he knew physcologically it'd bother Manny. He clearly blamed losing to Morales because they took his blood and it weakened him. It was not to duck the fight. He came back to fight Pacquiao. He's getting ridiculed for the "supposedly ducking" he did in the past.

I agree and also suspect that he was setting up an excuse for whenever the outcome of the fight turns out not to favor him. In my opinion, he overplayed the PEDs card. I like how Larry Holmes puts it, go get the money first then make a big deal out of it (PEDs) later.

[SuperTrooper]

The TS is one delusional guy. Don't waste your time arguing with him because it only feeds his insanity.

[P4P Opinion]

Circumstantial Evidence
1.Head within the span of 3 years got bigger just like bonds, Mccgwire, etc
2.Increase his speed and power as he moved up in weight in a span of 2 years.
3.Knock out ratio went up as he went up in weigh and as he got older instead of going down
4.Turned down 40 million dollars, with 5 different explanations none which made sense.
5.Sued Mayweather, but not Cintron, Campbell, Paulie, and others
etc.

1. The first is just conjecture unless you have some measurement. It barely counts as circumstantial evidence and would only be admissable in court if you were an expert, which I think I'm fair to assume you're not.

2. Your opinion on his speed is very questionable. Your opinion on his power is easily explained by increased weight. Again, it doesn't count as circumstantial evidence unless provided by an expert.

3. We seem to have a pattern. An opinion on Pacquiao that classifies as very weak circumstantial evidence even if provided from an expert. His increased knockout ratio could be explained by Pacquiao fighting at a more natural weight.

4. Which five different explanations?

5. Scratch this one. Pacquiao has sued the highest profile accuser. This is extremely common in issues of slander.

Three of your points barely count as circumstantial evidence, one does not and one you haven't properly explained. This is hardly circumstantial evidence like proving a gun owned by someone is definately a murder weapon.

Let me make it clear by the way, that I don't know whether Pacquiao uses PEDs or not, but as there isn't a shred of hard evidence and barely a slither of circumstantial evidence against him, I'm inclined to think he isn't for the time being.

[Seleção No. 13]

"What he needed was another helping of tinolang manok — the chicken-broth soup with special leaves from his native Philippines that he eats for almost every meal, that has bulked him up through seven different weight classes,"

Read more: http://www.esquire.com/the-side/feat...#ixzz0iGQjm6uY


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