HORUS PRESENTS: WHY NoW???

[tesla_power]

If you really take time to analyze without being biased towrds one side or the other ist not hard to understand that Pac could be cheating. He could also be clean. Its not clear cut and dry.

Yes he could be cheating. But did you not see the fallacy of your statement?

Who do you give the "benefit of the doubt"?
Why is there a legal statement that would stand up in any court that says "innocent until proven guilty"?

Now, apply that to pacquiao case. I'm a bit biased towards pac because he is a fellow pinoy but those 2 statements are universally acceptable. Otherwise, tell me you argument about it. You could make a specific scenario to fit your point but in general those statements hold up true.

[Toda Caine]

So apparently it's not so extraordinary 4 floyd to come up from 106 and knock hatton out cold at 147.

The point Mayweather was trying to make with that statement is that people were showing more attention to Pacquiao for beating opponents he (Mayweather) had already beaten. And people began to talk about where Pac began fighting (weight class) and how extraordinary he was for doing it.

Why didnt he go to the NASC and petition olympic style blood testing for all fighters?

To ask that question, you couldn't have read the post. Floyd and Manny are the faces of boxing. These guys are getting their biggest payday and taking a huge risk fighting each other. So why not start with the two biggest faces in the sport of boxing taking the test? It would not harm the sport, only help it. Petitioning olympic style testing for all fighter is a process. For a fight between he and his opponents is not.

When was Pacquiao regular?

I've seen Pac's old fights and he got busted up and struggled against marquez and morales at the lower weights and wobbled by a punch from marquez and in november he pretty much walked through cotto's punches at 147 and showed very little fatigue. I'm not saying he didn't have those qualities before I'm just saying they have improved considerably and while his improvements are not definitively from PED's and could just be from him training better some other way, it isn't preposterous to ask for testing due to that.

[DonTaseMeBrah]

Do you understand Circumstantial evidence, includes testimony?
Do you understand Circumstantial evidence, includes eye witness accounts?
Do you understand Circumstantial evidence, includes pattern profiles where they bring in experts to testify on behavior ?

Everything you just posted was circumstantial evidence, not hard proof!

Hard Proof: is a positive test, a dead body, etc. .
something we can touch, see, feel,and hear.

Do you understand almost everything else is circumstantial!

So once again. the only evidence we have so far in the case of Manny Pacquiao is circumstantial evidence. which can include testimony, eye witness accounts, anything, except hard evidence like a positive test.

Once again Circumstantial evidence in any court in america if argue correctly can get you verdict of guilty.


Come my dude, you should know this.

But, nothing that you have provided applies to Pac.

JRO, help me out here please.

Did horus provide circumstantial evidence against pac that i missed?


Seriously, i think we might have another boat is not a investment situation with horus here......

[shogunn]

If you really take time to analyze without being biased towrds one side or the other ist not hard to understand that Pac could be cheating. He could also be clean. Its not clear cut and dry.

uhh, if he passed the tests that were given to him for every fight, then thats cut and dry. no matter how hard you want to theorize.

[Guest]

JRO, help me out here please.

Did horus provide circumstantial evidence against pac that i missed?


Seriously, i think we might have another boat is not a investment situation with horus here......

Remember, whoever posts last wins in these kind of debates, so this will go on ad nauseum, ad infinitum until it has 30 plus pages.

[Horus]

Jesus Christ, here you go:



Source: http://duhaime.org/LegalDictionary/C...levidence.aspx

Was that really necessary? It might interest you to know actually, that Wikipedia is remarkably accurate considering the nature of its existence. I would provide you with sources for that as well, but that is a debate for the lounge.

I repeat, find me circumstantial evidence that indirectly proves the assertion that Pacquiao is on PEDs.

Listen, let's use your definition for argument sake.

Evidence which may allow a trial judge or jury to deduce or logically infer a certain fact from other established facts, which have been proven.
EXAMPLE: Justice Best in the 1820 case, King v Burdett:
"When one or more things are proved, from which our experience enables us to ascertain that another, not proved, must have happened, we presume that it did happen, as well in criminal as in civil cases."


Like I said before, Circumstantial evidence is used when Indisputeable or hard evidence can not be presented.

Circumstantial evidence includes testimony
Circumstantial evidence includes eye witness accounts
Circumstantial evidence includes pattern profiles where they bring in experts to testify on behavior


Hard Proof: is a positive test, a dead body, etc. .
something we can touch, see, feel,and hear.

Do you understand almost everything else is circumstantial!

So once again. the only evidence we have so far in the case of Manny Pacquiao is circumstantial evidence. which can include testimony, eye witness accounts, anything, except hard evidence like a positive test.

Once again Circumstantial evidence in any court in america if argue correctly can get you verdict of guilty.


Come my dude, you should know this.
as for the circumstances surrounding pacqiauo which have me believing
he is on something, I already posted.

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

Yes he could be cheating. But did you not see the fallacy of your statement?

Who do you give the "benefit of the doubt"?
Why is there a legal statement that would stand up in any court that says "innocent until proven guilty"?

Now, apply that to pacquiao case. I'm a bit biased towards pac because he is a fellow pinoy but those 2 statements are universally acceptable. Otherwise, tell me you argument about it. You could make a specific scenario to fit your point but in general those statements hold up true.

If you notice man no one has made threads on him using PEDs to beat Clottey. I think the forum is past that. I just want to see the figt bro. I for one hope he is clean.

[shogunn]

Do you understand Circumstantial evidence, includes testimony?
Do you understand Circumstantial evidence, includes eye witness accounts?
Do you understand Circumstantial evidence, includes pattern profiles where they bring in experts to testify on behavior ?

Everything you just posted was circumstantial evidence, not hard proof!

Hard Proof: is a positive test, a dead body, etc. .
something we can touch, see, feel,and hear.

Do you understand almost everything else is circumstantial!

So once again. the only evidence we have so far in the case of Manny Pacquiao is circumstantial evidence. which can include testimony, eye witness accounts, anything, except hard evidence like a positive test.

Once again Circumstantial evidence in any court in america if argue correctly can get you verdict of guilty.


Come my dude, you should know this.

Hard proof?

Keith Kizer, the executive director of the Nevada Athletic Commission, says there is no evidence Pacquiao is using steroids. Nevada rules, which have been in place since 2002, require fighters to submit urine samples before every fight. Those samples are tested for 40 kinds of steroids, diuretics and masking agents. Pacquiao, who has fought in Las Vegas 10 times since '02, has never tested positive. Pacquiao's conditioning coach, Alex Ariza, says the only substances Pacquiao took leading up to the fight were whey protein and liver-support supplements, while consuming a 6,500-calories-per-day diet.

against, your circumstance...haha

[DonTaseMeBrah]

im still waiting on HORUS'S circumstantial evidence against pac.......

[Horus]

Hard proof?




against, your circumstance...haha

the one time someone ask Pacquiao too take a test that could detect PED's, he didnt want too take it.

"You can not fail a test, you refuse to take." Pacquiao