Hopkins-Jones II: Better Never Than Late

[THE REED]

how'd you score it? i had it 114-114

I wasn't judging, I was reffing...

[SplitSecond]

You know I never back down, matrix. Unlike that guy in your avi

**** it, I'm starting another argument!

60/40 i kick YO ASS!!

[SplitSecond]

I wasn't judging, I was reffing...

refs are suppossed to have their own scorecard

[IMDAZED]

60/40 i kick YO ASS!!

You mean 60/40, you'll hug me!

[IMDAZED]

reed the mediator

I'll stop if he agrees to a 24-day post cut off date

Only cheaters ask for cut-off dates.

[-EX-]

Or that shot Roy Jones outboxes Bernard...

Well then we will all say Bernard is shot...right?

[IMDAZED]

Well then we will all say Bernard is shot...right?

If RJJ outboxes Bernard then Bernard is done too. Cuz last I saw RJJ, he could only outbox shot fighters.

[-EX-]

According to Bernard, Dawson doesn't sell big tickets yet...

I think on ESPN Bernard said if the money's right they can make it happen...

[ИATAS]

Tarver: is meaningful because he moved up, but Tarver as a fighter is pretty poor. He fights like a mummy got wiped out by a journey/contender (Harding) and got outboxed by another journeyman (Johnson). He is at best a B level lhw fighter

-Tarver was THE MAN at LH and was coming off of wins over Glen Johnson and Roy Jones.

-Hopkins was 40 years old and coming off back to back losses.

-Hopkins moved up from 160 to 175

-Tarver was a 4-1 favorite to win the fight.

-Hopkins put on an absolute CLINIC on Tarver, which no one had EVER done before.

Calzaghe: This fight would of been more meaningful at smw, why did he make Calzaghe move up?

Learn your history comrade.

-Calzaghe was going to Light Heavyweight with or without Hopkins. That was his plan. He had stated for several years 168 was getting more and more difficult to make weight and he revealed his plans to go to LH long before hopkins was an option.

-Calzaghe and Hopkins were the same size, size was not a factor in this fight as Calzaghe & hopkins were both at the time natural light heavyweights.

Hopkins has said himself that he was willing to move down for Froch, why not Calzaghe?

See above.

If Calzaghe had refused to move up who else would he have fought, a lhw? I dont think so.

See above. Calzaghe was already going to LH.

Pavlik: Pavlik is a c level boxer

Hmm, interesting. He might be now post kelly stephlick era, but at the time he was ranked top 6 pound 4 pound in the wold and coming off two impressive wins over Jermain Taylor, the same guy who beat bhop. He was also undefeated and 26 years old.

Further:
-Pavlik was a 4-1 favorite to beat hopkins
-Hopkins was 43 years old and coming off a loss to calzaghe, many people thought hopkins was way to old.
-Hopkins was 17 years older than Pavlik.
-Many people not only thought pavlik would win but he'd be the first person to KNOCK OUT the old man
-Hopkins put on a CLINIC on pavlik, something that has never happened to pavlik in his entire career.

Once you make him move up two divisions he loses his physical advantage and he becomes a c level lhw.

Nyet, kelly fought previously at 166 pounds against Jermain Taylor. Hopkins previous fight was at 175. Pavlik went up four pounds and hopkins went down 5.

Further, I know you and everyone else doesn't really believe that the weight had anything to do with the outcome of the fight. Kelly was out-classed, plain & simple.

Nice try though!

[SplitSecond]

You mean 60/40, you'll hug me!

also you gotta let me pick the thread, the font size, and how many letters your allowed to post and 10k for every letter that's over the agreed limit