Pacquiao PEDs discussion.

[andrew14]

So are you saying he's on Peds. I guess people just want to make excuses incase he is cheating.

Peds help him train my giving him more stamina & energy among other things.
It all depends really what your taking. If he is taking something its helping him be stronger by still being quick. I also read some steroids help fighters take more punishments and avoid getting knock out. Higher circulation help preventt blood clots which help give a fighter a lesser risk of getting K.O.

Add to the fact that if one fighter is taking something and the other guy isn't its double the advantage. Having more power helps him hurt his opponnet while intimidating them when they would normally come forward.

theres a reason fighters take steroids and thats because it makes them perform much, much better. They use too say roger clemens trained very hard, but he was taking HGH which helped him train harde while avoiding injuries. Some athletes take them to recover from injury. So at the same time it helps them avoid getting hurt. Theres no excuses if a athlete is cheating by using steroids his wins should be looked as loses. Or else lets start giving steroids to the all fighters so they can be stronger, faster etc.

Hey are you a doctor or something that you know steroids do this stuff??

like you have agility to dodge opponents and recover from injuries.

Steroids will get you enough strength it will not make you a DODGY thing.

this may help you: http://en.w i k i pedia.org/wiki/Anabolic_steroid

[Nuurzhaelan]

Discuss people! Counter my arguments. Or has NSB come to a point wherein it's just for bashing, biased, and ****** meaningless posts only?

It is not THAT Pacquiao is winning that troubles people, pundits and fans alike. It is HOW he is winning. He seems to be getting more powerful, more resilient and has as much energy as every before at his peak. It is just very surprising that against such talented opposition (hatton excluded) that he is able to continue pushing the envelope of credibility and achievement. It is not impossible, but it is rather unlikely.

[JulVal]

It is not THAT Pacquiao is winning that troubles people, pundits and fans alike. It is HOW he is winning. He seems to be getting more powerful, more resilient and has as much energy as every before at his peak. It is just very surprising that against such talented opposition (hatton excluded) that he is able to continue pushing the envelope of credibility and achievement. It is not impossible, but it is rather unlikely.

I know his wins are questionable and unprecedented but that does not make it impossible. Henry Armstrong was able to do it, why not Pacquiao?

Oh and the getting more resilient and more energy arguement, read some of my other posts. I think dehydration plays a big part on him getting more energy, power and resiliency.

Like I said before, try fighting, or even try working out without eating anything decent for days. How weak would you feel?

It's not like the Dehydrated issue just came up now. Manny Pacquiao has stated before that he feels dehydrated on previous weight classess and that's why he wants to venture on higher weight classess.

If you don't believe him then just try asking yourself why he's gaining 10 pounds come fight night even though he would weigh in at 135 for example.

[Floyd Joy]

Hey are you a doctor or something that you know steroids do this stuff??

like you have agility to dodge opponents and recover from injuries.

Steroids will get you enough strength it will not make you a DODGY thing.

this may help you: http://en.w i k i pedia.org/wiki/Anabolic_steroid

You don't have to be a doctor to listen or read their own opinion.

Steroids use in Baseball. Speed and Power in Baseball.

Jose Canseco MVP first MLB player to reach 40 Home Runs 40 Stolen Bases in a season.

Barry Bonds MVP 2nd MLB player to reach 40 Hr 40 SB.

Alex Rodriguez MVP 3rd MLB to reach 40 HR 40 SB. Speed, Power, recovery, energy .

Roger Clemens Strike out king 6 cy youngs. Not to mention boxing is the dirtiest sport in the game. Anything is possible.

[Jerub_Baal]

yeah, pacquiao knocked hatton out with accuracy and speed to say the least, not "mythical power"

the 80 flush power shots to hattons chin in 2 rounds might have had somthin to do with, but Floyd Sr. just doesn't understand that logic.

[Fearless BONG]

Well seems that we are now reading some good thread here...

all the *****s starting to get lost in this space...

[JulVal]

yeah, pacquiao knocked hatton out with accuracy and speed to say the least, not "mythical power"

the 80 flush power shots to hattons chin in 2 rounds might have had somthin to do with, but Floyd Sr. just doesn't understand that logic.

I agree. He didn't have that one punch KO that people claim for him to have and that steroids usually give (power). He weakens his opponents by punching them tons of times. (accuracy)

One cannot learn to punch accurately through PEDs Accuracy = skill.

[Hijo de Dios]

But, you can say thing about Floyd can't you? Everything you just mentioned about Pac, Floyd does and with the same intensity...

Floyd was doing them all along.
Manny only started doing them, ummm, since he met Ariza.

[JulVal]

Floyd was doing them all along.
Manny only started doing them, ummm, since he met Ariza.

Precisely. He started doing it right because he has a professional guiding him. He started doing it right because science was on his side.

He started doing it correctly because he was able to properly nourish himself. He got into a controlled scientific diet program as opposed to usual uncontrolled and unmanaged diet.

[Eagle Eye]

It is not THAT Pacquiao is winning that troubles people, pundits and fans alike. It is HOW he is winning. He seems to be getting more powerful, more resilient and has as much energy as every before at his peak. It is just very surprising that against such talented opposition (hatton excluded) that he is able to continue pushing the envelope of credibility and achievement. It is not impossible, but it is rather unlikely.

I thought, DIAZ was not good; that Dela Hoya was weight drained; that Cotto was not the same after the Margarito fight; I am confused...PEDS was linked to HOW he is winning only after Floyd Sr. accused him of using PEDS, is it not? those reasons earlier stated are diametrically opposed to using PEDS is it not?