Pacquiao PEDs discussion.

[shabs1]

But, you can say thing about Floyd can't you? Everything you just mentioned about Pac, Floyd does and with the same intensity...

your right only difference is that floyd wanted to be tested!!

and just like smebody else posted mcgwire said the same thing but c'mon y do u do it then cuz it makes u better duh lol...

[shabs1]

Or maybe ******s actually don't want to look into the TRUTH?
Maybe ******s believe everything they ****ing hear especially on the internet.

Use some common sense. If you have anything intelligent to say say it. Argue or stay a ****** forever.

dude your asking for intelligent convo but ur just posting ****** and crackhead in your comments ..y? dude look past that and realize that manny refused to take random drug tests the same tests floyd was gunna take him self... manny dictates in all his fights whats gunna go down but he just dont budge on much plain and simple and drug testing aint some great travesty its freaking drug testing dude whats wrong with that? who cares if its never been done before whats bad about it is my question to you?

[JulVal]

dude your asking for intelligent convo but ur just posting ****** and crackhead in your comments ..y? dude look past that and realize that manny refused to take random drug tests the same tests floyd was gunna take him self... manny dictates in all his fights whats gunna go down but he just dont budge on much plain and simple and drug testing aint some great travesty its freaking drug testing dude whats wrong with that? who cares if its never been done before whats bad about it is my question to you?

The Powerlessness of Su****ions

I have su****ions. They live in my head and I have no evidence. If I had evidence, they wouldn’t be su****ions, they would be facts. Should any importance be given to my su****ions? Absolutely not. Why? They are unsupported thoughts.

My su****ions impose zero responsibility on those I suspect to prove me wrong.

Imagine the precedent this would set. Anybody suspected of something should have to prove otherwise? Even if I had people who agreed with me, su****ion is su****ion. Facts are facts. The grand-canyon sized gulf between su****ion and fact seems to have been lost on a great number of boxing fans that blame Pacquiao for this fight falling apart.

If I suspect guilt on the part of a person, does the burden of proof shift to the accused? In what part of the world does this practice exist? Not in Vegas. A person could choose to ignore my su****ions, and I would be no closer to establishing his guilt. I would also have no right to be offended. Nobody owes me an explanation based simply on su****ions or assumptions devoid of evidence.

A few years ago, someone stole some pieces of ***elry from me. My neighbor’s son is a drug addict. I suspected he might have stolen the ***elry. I decided to let it go. But if I demanded to search his room, and he declined, would that alone justify me thinking he was guilty? If he ignored my accusations, would I have a right to then assume he did it? The answer must be no. At the end of the day, all I had were my su****ions, which add up to precisely nothing.

The only times su****ions carry any weight are when those in power hold them. If my boss who suspects I am stealing office supplies asks to see my bag, I might feel compelled to acquiesce to his demands. He is, after all, my boss. If a colleague made the same request, my response would not be so accommodating.

In other words…

Floyd Has no Authority

Mayweather attempted to become the first participant of a sport to simultaneously play the role of a commissioner. The amount of fans who have not gotten their heads around this is startling. Floyd Mayweather has no right to make any such drug testing demands. Like every other fighter, he is subject to the rules of the commission he fights under.

This fight is not happening because Manny didn’t cater to all of Mayweather’s demands. Lost in this is the fact that Manny did agree to the most thorough drug testing given to a pro fighter in the history of boxing. But it wasn’t enough to meet the demands that had no right to be made in the first place.

Imagine a world of sports where participants can call shots based on su****ions. What if a baseball team suspected another team of using corked bats? Before the game, they demand that all bats be confiscated and put through a battery of tests to determine their legitimacy. When the accused team tells them to forget it, what should happen? The answer is nothing. They had no right to levy demands in the first place. That’s what Bud Selig is there for. Let him officiate the sport and let the participants play. The line must remain clear.

Floyd’s Role of Anti-Drug Crusader

It simply does not ring true. While he has criticized those in the past caught for steroid use, a little trash talk is not enough to become a respected voice on the topic. In 40 fights, he has never made such demands on any other opponent. During an 18-month retirement—he didn’t make a peep about drug testing. Then at the precipice of signing for his biggest fight, he throws out the drug testing issue. Like a rock.

If Floyd were as genuine about his concern about performance enhancing drugs as he wants everyone to believe, why did he not broach the subject at any point in his 13-year pro career? Why did he not once contact the proper authorities and make an effort to change drug-testing policy? He waited to be on the cusp of signing for his landmark fight to bring up the issue of drug testing?

I would applaud Floyd’s concerns if he didn’t use them solely to stonewall the biggest fight of this generation.

Read that to understand. Su****ions are just su****ions. Since when did anyone have to prove themselves if accused wrongly? The burden of the evidence is with the accuser.Not the accused.

If Floyd, had anything and I mean anything he could bring to court that might even at the slightest make the judges think that Pacquiao is on steriods, then him imposing this DRUG TESTING would be legit.

But he doesn't does he? He does not have any evidence of any sort. So why impose something not imposed ever before?

[JulVal]

dude your asking for intelligent convo but ur just posting ****** and crackhead in your comments ..y? dude look past that and realize that manny refused to take random drug tests the same tests floyd was gunna take him self... manny dictates in all his fights whats gunna go down but he just dont budge on much plain and simple and drug testing aint some great travesty its freaking drug testing dude whats wrong with that? who cares if its never been done before whats bad about it is my question to you?

What's wrong with blood testing?
1. It's not required by any boxing commission.
2. If Floyd really didn't have any malice on any of this he should have informed the Nevada Commission, not WADA.
3. Floyd does not have any right to impose his will on Pacquiao.
4. Manny Pacquiao does not want it. Period.

[JulVal]

Read that to understand. Su****ions are just su****ions. Since when did anyone have to prove themselves if accused wrongly? The burden of the evidence is with the accuser.Not the accused.

If Floyd, had anything and I mean anything he could bring to court that might even at the slightest make the judges think that Pacquiao is on steriods, then him imposing this DRUG TESTING would be legit.

But he doesn't does he? He does not have any evidence of any sort. So why impose something not imposed ever before?

Imagine this scenario:

I got angry and jelous of someone.

I accuse someone of killing a person.

I sued him without any proof.

I want the court to issue a warrant to search this guy's house.

Accused does not want since he has his right of privacy and no evidence was laid up upon him that will make search warrant possible to acquire.

Court does not issue warrant.

I become the boy who cried wolf here. I become the bad person on court. I get a warning from the police and the judge.

This scenario pretty much happens in everyday life. This pretty much happens every single day. PEDs on this sport is as bad as any crime on the real world. Why should it be treated differently?

[wleterbelt]

man u if u posted this a week ago this thread would be HUGE!!!

[JulVal]

man u if u posted this a week ago this thread would be HUGE!!!

Last week I though ignoring it would be a much better solution. I ignored the issue and posted a thread here asking others to ignore the issue as well.

Obviously the issue still got bigger and I don't know, I just wanted to say the things that are going on my mind.

[Floyd Joy]

PEDs won't give you boxing skills.
PEDs won't teach you to punch using both hands.
PEDs won't teach you how to move in and out to avoid getting punched.

You guys are saying that Pacquiao seems to be knocking down opponents at higher weights and taking in their best shots but we've seen that trait before, why didn't we question Duran before? Why didn't we question other fighters who has achieved much as well?

Why are you guys not questioning Oscar? Mayweather? Who has ventured and gained so much weight by moving in and out of divisions as well?

Furthermore, another explanation I could give on the issue Pacquiao gaining more power and explosiveness is him not being dehydrated anymore.

Most guys know all those stuff stated above. The thing you guys are arguing for right now is that Pacquiao gets an edge in getting to train harder but don't you guys realize that Pacquiao has always been a monster in training? Ever ****ing, since? And the reason he could seem to be looking better and better in training is that because he's getting to eat all the food he wants to eat and not dehydrate himself anymore??

Imagine Pacquiao dehydrating himself just so he could weigh in @ 135. He has always been trying to lose 9pounds plus. At fight night he would always usually weigh in at 144+ so what's the point?

They say he takes PEDs to train harder. I say common sense tells you that eating more > dehydrating yourself to make weight will give you more energy to train harder. 9000 calories to burn everyone?

I don't know. Just my two cents. I'm not saying I'm correct and all that.

So are you saying he's on Peds. I guess people just want to make excuses incase he is cheating.

Peds help him train my giving him more stamina & energy among other things.
It all depends really what your taking. If he is taking something its helping him be stronger by still being quick. I also read some steroids help fighters take more punishments and avoid getting knock out. Higher circulation help preventt blood clots which help give a fighter a lesser risk of getting K.O.

Add to the fact that if one fighter is taking something and the other guy isn't its double the advantage. Having more power helps him hurt his opponnet while intimidating them when they would normally come forward.

theres a reason fighters take steroids and thats because it makes them perform much, much better. They use too say roger clemens trained very hard, but he was taking HGH which helped him train harde while avoiding injuries. Some athletes take them to recover from injury. So at the same time it helps them avoid getting hurt. Theres no excuses if a athlete is cheating by using steroids his wins should be looked as loses. Or else lets start giving steroids to the all fighters so they can be stronger, faster etc.

[andrew14]

NICE thread. but

*****s will not answer this thread.. coz they are happy that their boy is not

fighting pacman and they will not try to understand your thread either.

and PBF is happy he is not fighting manny now but their will be a time that

they will fight.

but the problem is who is PBF will fight now??

a. Uncle Nate a former lightweight

b. Paully Maligmagic a jr WW who lost to R. Hatton

c. M. Hatton jr WW a brother of R. Hatton

and PBF is a WW why not fight a:

a. Mosley

b. Paul Williams

c. Kermit Cintron who lost twice to Margarito twice

drug enhancing or steroid is something floyd senior and paul maligmagic crack

their heads up high that media bought the issue and it POPs out huge.

floyd senior doesnt want his boy fight pacman.

a lot of *****s and haters are jealous of pacman right now.

they will never answer this thread somehow... they will trash this out.

[JulVal]

I'm not saying he is on PEDs but the forum's reasoning out here is impossible.

I never said that he didn't take steroids as a FACT as well because I am someone who knows nothing. All I know is what I believe in and that is that Pacquiao didn't take PEDs.

People are acting like Pacquiao did take PEDS without any basis. They act like it's already a FACT that he did take PEDs. Oh and I know the PEDs you are talking about and most of them are detectable. The only thing that makes sense right now is EPO as most posters here had said.

EPO improves stamina, recovery, etc. But don't you see that he's eating 9000 calories now picture as opposed to cutting off weight to lost 10 pounds plus but then regain it the other day? Thus being able to train harder?

Don't you see that, he, now has a conditioning coach as opposed with him not having decent nutrition pre-Diaz? I am not stating that what I am saying are facts. That is why I want people to argue with my way of thinking.

If I stated they were facts, I woudlnt want to be debating now would I?

So are you saying he's on Peds. I guess people just want to make excuses incase he is cheating.

Peds help him train my giving him more stamina & energy among other things.
It all depends really what your taking. If he is taking something its helping him be stronger by still being quick. I also read some steroids help fighters take more punishments and avoid getting knock out. Higher circulation help preventt blood clots which help give a fighter a lesser risk of getting K.O.

Add to the fact that if one fighter is taking something and the other guy isn't its double the advantage. Having more power helps him hurt his opponnet while intimidating them when they would normally come forward.

theres a reason fighters take steroids and thats because it makes them perform much, much better. They use too say roger clemens trained very hard, but he was taking HGH which helped him train harde while avoiding injuries. Some athletes take them to recover from injury. So at the same time it helps them avoid getting hurt. Theres no excuses if a athlete is cheating by using steroids his wins should be looked as loses. Or else lets start giving steroids to the all fighters so they can be stronger, faster etc.