What DEFINES Greatness... Skills Or Resume?

[istmeno]

resume = cold hard facts about how good a fighter is or was with no room for speculation.

skills without the resume leaves the argument for what a fighter could have done. and leaves everything open to speculation.

in this sport facts trump speculation every time

[Amazinger]

Most would say a combination of the two but if you could only choose ONE, which would be more important to you in defining what makes a great fighter?

The skills, abilities, style and technique that a boxer displays.

The resume, record and opponents that a boxer has faced and defeated.

Skills

If you have great skill you will beat a lot of those highly skilled fighters.Hence will give you a better resume.

SKILLS will follow a better resume.

[istmeno]

Skills

If you have great skill you will beat a lot of those highly skilled fighters.Hence will give you a better resume.

SKILLS will follow a better resume.

do a little research on howard davis, and you will see why your argument does not hold water.

[Amazinger]

do a little research on howard davis, and you will see why your argument does not hold water.

My answer holds water...........

READ THE QUESTION AGAIN:...It says

A great "FIGHTER"..........not a succesful athlete.

[istmeno]

My answer holds water...........

READ THE QUESTION AGAIN:...It says

A great "FIGHTER"..........not a succesful athlete.

skills without resume or accomplishments = potential, not greatness.
resume = concrete indisputable facts.

simple example the fighter in your avatar had nowhere near the skill level of howard davis, but there is no doubt that he was the greater fighter based on his resume and his accomplishments.

[Pugilistic™]

Resume hands down.

You can be very skilled but you won't get credit for them if you don't beat anyone worth mentioning.

You need skills to beat the best competition though.

[El Jesus]

You need both. Sometimes resume can be deceiving, it matters when and where you fought them, if they were on the downstroke, if you yourself were on the downstroke etc. For most ATG its more than just those two, what made most fighters great was what they did when they slowed down. Beating guys who were younger than then using the skills they accumulated when they were in their prime, thats what makes a fighter so great.

What you do in youre prime is only half of what a resume is, its when youve slowed down and you are relying strictly on mental strength and skill is what really matters. In this sport its easy to get caught up in "what have you done for me lately" or spectacular knockouts, but a career is a career, and it spans longer than just simply "oh i vote skills, or oh i vote resume"

[Bushbaby]

In the end,it's all about ur resume!!Great fighters weren't great because they had the best skillset,they are great because they proved it in the ring!!Besides u can call someone highly skilled but how would that be a fact if everyone they fought clearly had less skill than they??

[istmeno]

You need both. Sometimes resume can be deceiving, it matters when and where you fought them, if they were on the downstroke, if you yourself were on the downstroke etc. For most ATG its more than just those two, what made most fighters great was what they did when they slowed down. Beating guys who were younger than then using the skills they accumulated when they were in their prime, thats what makes a fighter so great.

What you do in youre prime is only half of what a resume is, its when youve slowed down and you are relying strictly on mental strength and skill is what really matters. In this sport its easy to get caught up in "what have you done for me lately" or spectacular knockouts, but a career is a career, and it spans longer than just simply "oh i vote skills, or oh i vote resume"

resume to me does not mean who you beat, rather when you beat him. both ken norton and larry holmes beat ali, there is no way both wins carry the same weight, nor should they.

[El Jesus]

resume to me does not mean who you beat, rather when you beat him. both ken norton and larry holmes beat ali, there is no way both wins carry the same weight, nor should they.

thats exactly my point.