Al Bernstein: "Floyd and his minions killed the Pacquiao fight."

[Pullcounter]

I never understood the "Manny never tested positive" argument.

well, if he never tested positive, then there's no evidence of wrong doing

Umm, isn't that why Floyd is challenging the drug testing protocol to begin with? He feels Navada's requirements are not up to par.

those same testing protocols caught vargas, toney, rjj, funeka, chavez jr, etc...

If Manny wanted to prove he wasn't a PED user, all he had to do was sign the fight. Simple as that.

pac doesn't have to prove anything because the accusation is baseless and grounded in hearsay and rumors

You can't prove something by not proving it. Does Pac and company understand that? If Floyd is questioning the system, and questioning Pac's credibility, why would Pac file a law suit and not take the tests?

why take the test when the accusations hold no weight. pac has no history of wrongdoing. the lawsuit is to get financial restitution for the slander / libel of pac's reputation and name

How does that prove anything? If anything, it makes him look more guilty.

the lawsuit is not suppose to prove anything, its to get finanical restitution.

Here's a comparison for you: You call me a pot head. I say "No I'm not, I've never tested positive". You say I think those tests you've been taking are crap, so let's use better testing. I say "No way, you're a liar and trying to discredit me. I'm suing you"

in that scenario, I'd ask what makes your test better than the test I've been taking. Also what is your motivation for asking for a different test. Also, who gave you the right to ask for tests other than the ones that i've been taking and passing for years now. Are you paying me? Are you with the government? I got no reason to do what you want and you can't force me to do anything I don't want to do.

Does anyone believe that in this scenario I've proved my innocence? If you say yes, then you're probably beyond needing help.

the real question is not about innocence, its about who's in control and who gets to make the rules.

[Pullcounter]

exactly, benefit of the doubt my ass

wow. so you think its ok for the cops to arrest you without any evidence of guilt?

[The Big Dunn]

well, if he never tested positive, then there's no evidence of wrong doing


those same testing protocols caught vargas, toney, rjj, funeka, chavez jr, etc...


pac doesn't have to prove anything because the accusation is baseless and grounded in hearsay and rumors


why take the test when the accusations hold no weight. pac has no history of wrongdoing. the lawsuit is to get financial restitution for the slander / libel of pac's reputation and name


the lawsuit is not suppose to prove anything, its to get finanical restitution.


in that scenario, I'd ask what makes your test better than the test I've been taking. Also what is your motivation for asking for a different test. Also, who gave you the right to ask for tests other than the ones that i've been taking and passing for years now. Are you paying me? Are you with the government? I got no reason to do what you want and you can't force me to do anything I don't want to do.



the real question is not about innocence, its about who's in control and who gets to make the rules.

the real question is not about innocence, its about who's in control and who gets to make the rules.

does that mean if Flloyd beats shane and sells something ridiculous like 2.5 mil ppv's then floyd is in control and manny has to take the test. Or is Manny in control because he is the WBO champ?

[Doctor_Tenma]

Those same testing protocols caught vargas, toney, rjj, funeka, chavez jr, etc...

Before they got in the ring?

[Pacquiao'd]

I don't disagree with your points. I'm just a person that feels a person is innocent until proven guilty.

For example, I think every fight margarito had since he lost to daniel santos he loaded his gloves. I think shane may have been dirty long before ODH. And I was a big Shane fan. ever since the BALCO **** not so much. (not that I gave back all the money I won when he beat ODH)

how can someone be proven guilty if they arent willing to take proper testing after agreeing to it

what you are saying is a catch 22.

[The Big Dunn]

how can someone be proven guilty if they arent willing to take proper testing after agreeing to it

what you are saying is a catch 22.

What I'm saying is I want manny to take the tests because he has to prove he's clean.
I want him to take the test becasue its the right thing for the sport.

[Pacquiao'd]

wow. so you think its ok for the cops to arrest you without any evidence of guilt?

cops can arrest me, throw me in jail and put me up for execution if i come close to the description of the murder suspect, you idiot.

there are plenty innocent people in jail

how old are you idiot?

[Pacquiao'd]

What I'm saying is I want manny to take the tests because he has to prove he's clean.
I want him to take the test becasue its the right thing for the sport.

right, i got you.

but alot of people are using your rationale and saying b.c of that reason, there are no grounds that manny should even be subjected to OST.

of course everyone is innocent until proven guilty. but the guy has to take the test

[dans]

the real question is not about innocence, its about who's in control and who gets to make the rules.

Pull, I don't have the energy nor the desire to argue with you on all this so I'm not even going to quote the rest of this. I said my piece.

And I believe I'm right. That Manny proves nothing by dodging blood tests. Right or wrong in anyones eyes. And he most certainly does not DISPROVE anything either. I cannot understand why Manny and Co. don't want to clear his name. And again, don't want to hear "he's never tested positive".

There are people that think Manny takes PEDs. Fact

Dodging drug tests and filing lawsuits does not help that public perception. Fact

Is as simple as that.

[flour]

You clearly have no idea what PED testing entails. No PED test occdurs everyday. Blood testing is more accurate than urine testing.

I actually administer drug test on a daily basis for my job so I do know some things. I guess I need to stop discussing this with you.

Peace!

and pac said he agreed to unlimited urine test which is everyday, LMAO you act like its impossible with arum and gbp footing the bill out of their million dollar pockets.. now did you think he meant 100 urine test a day?? now why would you even think that?

yah sure administer drug test and you know some things LMAO you guys come up with some funny *****

you are a running ***** just like floyd is when he ran from pac


self-proclaim ped tester..dooesnt wanna answer why pac would need an HGH test when urine testing is adequate and test 99% of all peds.. gee i wonder why..

you can run from me ***** but you cant run from the truth:smileysex