Where Is All The Muscle That Pacquiao Supposedly Packed On?

[one-Punch]

2006 | 129 | Morales III | Ring Weight: 144 | Rehydration: 15 lbs
2007 | 130 | Barrera II | Ring Weight: 144 | Rehydration: 14lbs
2008 | 129 | Marquez II | Ring Weight: 145 | Rehydration: 16lbs
2008 | 134½ | Diaz | Ring Weight: 147 | Rehydration: 12½ lbs
2008 | 142 | De La Hoya | Ring Weight: 148.5 | Rehydration: 6½ lbs
2009 | 138 | Hatton | Ring Weight: 148 | Rehydration: 10 lbs
2009 | 144 | Cotto | Ring Weight: 149 | Rehydration: 5 lbs

144-149 = 5 lbs difference in three years.

The real difference is nowadays he isn't cutting so much weight. For the second Marquez fight, for example, Pacquiao would be cutting around 20 pounds (possibly more) from his walk-around weight. Less starvation appears to make Pacquiao a much better fighter. Is this abnormal? Personally, I don't think it's any cause for concern.

No wonder Pacquiao is more dominant now then before. He is naturally fighting at his own body weight. 16 pounds of rehydation isn't good for the stamina.

[VERSION1 (V1)]

Who is "they"?

No, I actually don't see all that many people speaking in absolutes. I'm not doing that. I'm saying "innocent until proven guilty". Many Floyd fans (not all) are saying "guilty until proven innocent".

thats the world we live in

[sandyvahra]

This is about ego, and there is no way Pac should dance to floyds music and get pushed around. Mayweather hasnt asked for this **** in his last 40 fights and now suddenly he wants it because his old man started a rumour?

Sorry but if pac feels its weakens him before the fight and he's spitirutal/superstitious in that way so be it. respect that the world is diverse and people see things differently. different culture, values, etc.

What's telling is floyd saying manny is easy work and then demand **** that's never been demanded. It's bogus. GBP are a bunch of crooks too with the pointed out hypocrisy in the zab-shane negotiations. **** like this hurts boxing and honestly floyd is a cancer to the sport.

[VERSION1 (V1)]

This is about ego, and there is no way Pac should dance to floyds music and get pushed around. Mayweather hasnt asked for this **** in his last 40 fights and now suddenly he wants it because his old man started a rumour?

Sorry but if pac feels its weakens him before the fight and he's spitirutal/superstitious in that way so be it. respect that the world is diverse and people see things differently. different culture, values, etc.

What's telling is floyd saying manny is easy work and then demand **** that's never been demanded. It's bogus. GBP are a bunch of crooks too with the pointed out hypocrisy in the zab-shane negotiations. **** like this hurts boxing and honestly floyd is a cancer to the sport.

i have to disagree if any fighter is cheating that a cancer to the sport. roids palster etc cheating thats bigger than pacman and pbf if the biggest fighter in the sport is a cheater than that will hurt the sport more than anything else.

[MOREBASS]

You are using numbers to make a point, which I get, and your point is taken. But let me ask you this: How does a extremely lean man at 144 make his way down to 129?

By dehydrating. Almost all fighters; from wrestlers, to MMA fighters, to boxers do it. The body, by weight is 65% water. You can easily lose 2 liters of water weight in an hour.

Do the math. A lot of water is held within muscle tissue.

Secondly, how does a naturally lean man lose 16 pounds leading up to a fight and not be decimated.

Who's to say they aren't affected?

Dehydration reduces blood plasma, and plasma volume, decreases testosterone levels, reduced muscle blood flow...and many other detrimental effects.

How could he even train? Do you know what it takes for a naturally lean (6-8% body fat) man to lose 20 pounds of water and fat that he does not have.

Depending on how much the fighter is cutting, most of the weight will be lost during training. Usually 10lbs. or less remains, and that can easily be cut with a few hours in a sauna suit.

They aren't dropping the entire, let's just use for an example 20 pounds before the weigh in. The final dehydration begins the week of the weigh in, and almost all fighters significantly lower carbohydrate intake, which in turn causes the body to store much less water, and expel less water in the process.

It is unheard of, naturally. Most natural men can only make it down to about 6% body fat before the body starts to fight back. Bodybuilders are usually in the 2-4% range, and they of course are drugged beyond belief. Most fighters that step on the scale looking "dried out" are at this 5-6% number, extremely lean. Also, no real performance issues during this 20 pound drop...weird.

It actually is quite common. I use MMA fighter Georges St. Pierre as an example because he cuts around 30 pounds to make the 170 limit. He is an even better example to use because his muscle is so dense...comparable to Manny Pacquiao.

Its all water weight, and these guys have experienced trainers and nutritionists who have dehydrating and rehydrating down to a science.

So, please, and I am not being critical, how in the world did Pacquiao do it? It is the equivalent of Roy Jones, when he fought at 160, looking very lean and muscular, being able to make 147...simply unnatural.

Pacquiao at 149 looked very lean and muscular. I suppose who could be "out" of shape at around 160...think about that...does that seem consistent with this "little guy" everybody knew just a year or so ago. It seems su****ious.

How does it seem su****ious?

Most fighters in these weight classes rehydrate to similar weights. Find the glaring difference in the physical statures and weigh in weights, and you'll see that there really aren't any.

[TheAuthority]

Good posts Samurai.

-The manner in which he's beating fighters: Again, he isn't zapping his strength so much, he is a better fighter for it.

Just to add to that:

It could also be argued that the calibre of his recent opposition (i.e. Cotto, Hatton, De La Hoya) hasn't been quite as good, or these opponents have presented styles that were less of a problem for Pac compared to his earlier opposition (Morales, Barrera, JMM).

[MoBetters]

2006 | 129 | Morales III | Ring Weight: 144 | Rehydration: 15 lbs
2007 | 130 | Barrera II | Ring Weight: 144 | Rehydration: 14lbs
2008 | 129 | Marquez II | Ring Weight: 145 | Rehydration: 16lbs
2008 | 134½ | Diaz | Ring Weight: 147 | Rehydration: 12½ lbs
2008 | 142 | De La Hoya | Ring Weight: 148.5 | Rehydration: 6½ lbs
2009 | 138 | Hatton | Ring Weight: 148 | Rehydration: 10 lbs
2009 | 144 | Cotto | Ring Weight: 149 | Rehydration: 5 lbs

144-149 = 5 lbs difference in three years.

The real difference is nowadays he isn't cutting so much weight. For the second Marquez fight, for example, Pacquiao would be cutting around 20 pounds (possibly more) from his walk-around weight. Less starvation appears to make Pacquiao a much better fighter. Is this abnormal? Personally, I don't think it's any cause for concern.

i believe the thing is the size of his head has grown so big in relation to his body which is a sign of doping.

[rao007]

You are using numbers to make a point, which I get, and your point is taken. But let me ask you this: How does a extremely lean man at 144 make his way down to 129? Secondly, how does a naturally lean man lose 16 pounds leading up to a fight and not be decimated. How could he even train? Do you know what it takes for a naturally lean (6-8% body fat) man to lose 20 pounds of water and fat that he does not have. It is unheard of, naturally. Most natural men can only make it down to about 6% body fat before the body starts to fight back. Bodybuilders are usually in the 2-4% range, and they of course are drugged beyond belief. Most fighters that step on the scale looking "dried out" are at this 5-6% number, extremely lean. Also, no real performance issues during this 20 pound drop...weird.

So, please, and I am not being critical, how in the world did Pacquiao do it? It is the equivalent of Roy Jones, when he fought at 160, looking very lean and muscular, being able to make 147...simply unnatural.

Pacquiao at 149 looked very lean and muscular. I suppose who could be "out" of shape at around 160...think about that...does that seem consistent with this "little guy" everybody knew just a year or so ago. It seems su****ious.

I really don't understand why ****m Richardson would say: "All of these guys underestimate Pacquiao thinking he's the small man. When I met Pacquiao, I wasn't saying how does this guy make welterweight? I was saying how in the hell was he making 130 and 135? Pacquiao is a big dude."

By the way: does this strike you as looking healthy at 129?

[sceneboxing]

You are using numbers to make a point, which I get, and your point is taken. But let me ask you this: How does a extremely lean man at 144 make his way down to 129? Secondly, how does a naturally lean man lose 16 pounds leading up to a fight and not be decimated. How could he even train? Do you know what it takes for a naturally lean (6-8% body fat) man to lose 20 pounds of water and fat that he does not have. It is unheard of, naturally. Most natural men can only make it down to about 6% body fat before the body starts to fight back. Bodybuilders are usually in the 2-4% range, and they of course are drugged beyond belief. Most fighters that step on the scale looking "dried out" are at this 5-6% number, extremely lean. Also, no real performance issues during this 20 pound drop...weird.

So, please, and I am not being critical, how in the world did Pacquiao do it? It is the equivalent of Roy Jones, when he fought at 160, looking very lean and muscular, being able to make 147...simply unnatural.

Pacquiao at 149 looked very lean and muscular. I suppose who could be "out" of shape at around 160...think about that...does that seem consistent with this "little guy" everybody knew just a year or so ago. It seems su****ious.

It was already said, but it's dehydration.

It's done in boxing, mma, wrestling. It happens even at the high school level. I've known a few wrestlers who had to cut 20-30 pounds for a fight.

[Vasyl’s dad]

The USADA has been around for so long and all of the sudden, they are on this corruption microscope with virtually no basis or reality to that accusation, its become sort of an ACORN for pacfans these days.

This is interesting.

Watch this,

The NSAC has been around for so long and all of the sudden, they are on this corruption microscope with virtually no basis or reality to that accusation, its become sort of an ACORN for pacfans these days.

See how that works?


The most respected governing body for boxing in the states has come under scrutiny from one camp,

yet you're entirely ok with it.

Lifestyle, *****.