You Guys Have To Admit That This Isnt Right

[p4p-champ]

A ton of Pac fans and even myself were convinced that the blood testing was ok, just not the day of the fight. We thought maybe 48hrs were ok, 3 days were ok, 5 days, or maybe even a week. Random was ok, just as long as it wasnt the day of the fight. Now the **** is pretty official that despite what some try to say in the media, there stance is 30 days out and non random. They want to test right after the New Year, then wait over a whole month and test again on Feb 13th, and then wait all the way until after the fight. Come on now. Lets say that Pac was juicing. Does he have any chance to fail the test with those dates I just mentioned? Hell NO! 3 test, only 2 before the fight, both over a month apart, and both times he knows exactly when the date is.

Alot of Pac people argued the whole time that if it was like that then it basically would be bad but its not like that. They argued that it was random and that they would allow it a few days or a week before. Now you see its not true. Even with that the Floyd side has given in and they are willing to change some things but they want it random and they dont want all these 30plus day windows. It defeats the whole purpose. Im sure you guys will defend it like it doesnt matter though. I was on Pac's side in some of this but its because I thought they would agree to random and maybe Floyd should accept like 3 days to a week out. Thats not the case though. Whats even more messed up is instead of negotating, it was Arum who immediatly said the fight was off and they are going to do something else. Floyd's team never said they are moving on.

Arum said that if another group does it besides the USADA then they will take it but Floyd's camp dont want that so they are moving on. Then Schaffer came back saying, thats cool and they will use a different source but they just want it to be random and closer than those 30 day splits. Arum is now like, **** it. Were not doing it anymore no matter what. That **** dont sound iffy to you? Again, one of the #1 responses from Pac fans and even some Floyd fans were like, how come Floyd's team wont accept it if they are doing it like a week before and immediatly after. It should be in his system. Now we find out that it was never there real stance. There stance is 30 days out and after the fight. Even the most die hard Pac fans know that he could juice and still easily pass a test in that situation.

That **** looks fishy to me now and there is no way you can put this on Floyd's side. Arum aint even willing to talk. You have alot of Pac fans saying thats good what Arum is doing and that Pac should stick with the lawsuit. What kind of coward talk is that? All of us want to see the fight. I myself took up for Pac when I thought it was random and within a week but 30 days and non random? Come on man. Then over 30 days from the 1st test to the 2nd test also. No one is even talking about that one but you can do alot in that time also. All the Pac fans whole stance was that Pac will do it, just not the day of the fight. Thats what they all say but its not true. They want 30 days.

That **** aint right. Then they want to drop it to fight Paulie or Foreman? There so in a rush to do that? I just hope they come to there senses and come back to this fight. The thing thats so crazy is that they knew ahead of time. Everyone knew what Senior wanted and the Pac side said it was ok. Now they are tripping like they didnt know. If Arum was this upset then why did he even take the contract to Pac and go this far with it from the jump? Something changed and now they dont want it. Then they want to fight Paulie of all people. The same guy who accused them more than anyone and publicly. How does that sound?

Anyway you try to slice and dice...it ain't right.

[The Stone Roses]

you didn't get the analogy.

what im trying to say is that even if manny was in fact juicing (which i highly doubt), it isn't the sole reason why he was succesful.

im basically saying you guys overrate steroids a bit.

overrate steroids????? HUH?? WHAT?

[Doctor_Tenma]

it would beat the **** out of another hamster.

Green K.

[IMDAZED]

cause he wants to make the fight too. he said he was willing to undergo the extra tests cause it was such a big deal to the mayweather camp. it is known that he stated before he was uncomfortable giving blood before the fight. interpretations of arum and roach of the time frame may be different, but that has always been consistent. no blood close before the fight.

but when gbp and people from mayweather's camp came out with damaging statements during the negotiations, he got irked. and now threatening to sue. i think he felt he was the one willing to compromise, yet portrayed as he trying to hide something.

of course, all i said would be pointless if he was guilty of juicing. but let's assume he's innocent cause that's what he is right now according to the evidence we do have. he has the right to get mad, has the right to reject the tests, and the right to file a lawsuit if he felt his name was damaged.

I don't think that's how the sequence of events went at all. And if Pacquiao really wanted to make the fight like your first sentence states, we wouldn't have even come this far. First of all, he didn't agree to any additional tests. What Arum's camp proposed is barely different from our standard, stone-aged testing. Second, Pacquiao's issue wasn't with Mayweather's proposal but rather the US anti-doping agency procedures. So to say statements made by the GBP camp and Mayweather irked him and forced him to sue is baloney. And I'm no GBP or Mayweather apologist. Pacquiao threatens to sue because they wouldn't budge from what they both had agreed to...you don't find that suspect?

I'm not assuming Pacquiao is innocent at all. He agreed to the tests then asked them not to be random. Then threatened to sue when he couldn't get his way. He's really going out on a limb here. But not too much...I mean, if the accusations really bothered him, he wouldn't pretend to negotiate with Paulie Malignaggi, now would he? I understand we all have our preferences - and also that we'd rather it not be true - but it's pretty obvious what is going on here. The fight will go on. But no matter how you spin it, the reason why it almost died was because Manny Pacquiao did not want to be randomly tested for performance-enhancing drugs. Period.

[M.I Truth ?]

they have always said no blood too close to the fight (the time they say varies, but this has been consistent). i think arum acted poorly as a negotiator and made the issue bigger than it really is. and gbp didn't have to come out with such damaging statements that could have killed the fight.

both sides acted like jack assses.

if this pushes through though, this certainly increased the interest of the fight whether they planned this or not.

Well lets hope they can fix whats broken. If things dont get better I have a feeling Goldenboy and Top Rank may do less business together in the future witch would ruin a lot of potential fights.

[aether]

I don't think that's how the sequence of events went at all. And if Pacquiao really wanted to make the fight like your first sentence states, we wouldn't have even come this far. First of all, he didn't agree to any additional tests. What Arum's camp proposed is barely different from our standard, stone-aged testing. Second, Pacquiao's issue wasn't with Mayweather's proposal but rather the US anti-doping agency procedures. So to say statements made by the GBP camp and Mayweather irked him and forced him to sue is baloney. And I'm no GBP or Mayweather apologist. Pacquiao threatens to sue because they wouldn't budge from what they both had agreed to...you don't find that suspect?

I'm not assuming Pacquiao is innocent at all. He agreed to the tests then asked them not to be random. Then threatened to sue when he couldn't get his way. He's really going out on a limb here. But not too much...I mean, if the accusations really bothered him, he wouldn't pretend to negotiate with Paulie Malignaggi, now would he? I understand we all have our preferences - and also that we'd rather it not be true - but it's pretty obvious what is going on here. The fight will go on. But no matter how you spin it, the reason why it almost died was because Manny Pacquiao did not want to be randomly tested for performance-enhancing drugs. Period.

they never agreed on anything yet. that was why they were still having the negotiations, and nothing was signed. and it is inaccurate to say that what arum proposed is not that much different from the standard testing. unlimited urine tests and 3 blood tests is significantly more than what nevada requires. as i explained before, manny is not obligated to accept anything that is not required by any sanctioning body nor the state of Nevada cause there is no basis of him cheating. manny's camp was clear from the start they were uncomfortable giving blood.

i still think manny suing is a knee-jerk reaction for him being accused as a cheater. he was threatening to sue before even this fight entered negotiations.

as for paulie, i honestly believe it is just a name they throw out there.

its up to you if you think manny isn't innocent. id rather rely on evidence rather than su****ion, and evidence supports manny being clean.

i know the fight is currently pronounced "dead" but i believe this is all part of the negotiations. i believe manny has a legit reason why he shouldn't be subjected to such tests. im still confident this fight will get made.

[IMDAZED]

they never agreed on anything yet. that was why they were still having the negotiations, and nothing was signed. and it is inaccurate to say that what arum proposed is not that much different from the standard testing. unlimited urine tests and 3 blood tests is significantly more than what nevada requires. as i explained before, manny is not obligated to accept anything that is not required by any sanctioning body nor the state of Nevada cause there is no basis of him cheating. manny's camp was clear from the start they were uncomfortable giving blood.

i still think manny suing is a knee-jerk reaction for him being accused as a cheater. he was threatening to sue before even this fight entered negotiations.

as for paulie, i honestly believe it is just a name they throw out there.

its up to you if you think manny isn't innocent. id rather rely on evidence rather than su****ion, and evidence supports manny being clean.

i know the fight is currently pronounced "dead" but i believe this is all part of the negotiations. i believe manny has a legit reason why he shouldn't be subjected to such tests. im still confident this fight will get made.

I guess you could say they never agreed but the dispute in question isn't with Mayweather. What Pacquiao didn't agree to was the testing procedures. Right or wrong?

[aether]

I guess you could say they never agreed but the dispute in question isn't with Mayweather. What Pacquiao didn't agree to was the testing procedures. Right or wrong?

yup, that is correct. and he has every right to do so cause it has not been imposed on any boxer ever and is gonna be performed by an organization of floyd's choice.

[S.G.]

yup, that is correct. and he has every right to do so cause it has not been imposed on any boxer ever and is gonna be performed by an organization of floyd's choice.

the organisation of floyd's choice is the most reputable and thorough anti-doping agency in the united states.

says more about pacquiao for demanding that they alter their tried and tested protocol just for him than it does about floyd for proposing their involvement in the first place.

[IMDAZED]

yup, that is correct. and he has every right to do so cause it has not been imposed on any boxer ever and is gonna be performed by an organization of floyd's choice.

Ok, cool. At least we're getting somewhere here. Ok, so the issue isn't with the accusations and stuff but the testing procedures. And you feel he has every right to have issue with it because it's unprecedented. Can you tell me, specifically, what part of the testing he had issue with and why?