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  • FLYBOY
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    #101
    Originally posted by DLT
    A ton of Pac fans and even myself were convinced that the blood testing was ok, just not the day of the fight. We thought maybe 48hrs were ok, 3 days were ok, 5 days, or maybe even a week. Random was ok, just as long as it wasnt the day of the fight. Now the **** is pretty official that despite what some try to say in the media, there stance is 30 days out and non random. They want to test right after the New Year, then wait over a whole month and test again on Feb 13th, and then wait all the way until after the fight. Come on now. Lets say that Pac was juicing. Does he have any chance to fail the test with those dates I just mentioned? Hell NO! 3 test, only 2 before the fight, both over a month apart, and both times he knows exactly when the date is.

    Alot of Pac people argued the whole time that if it was like that then it basically would be bad but its not like that. They argued that it was random and that they would allow it a few days or a week before. Now you see its not true. Even with that the Floyd side has given in and they are willing to change some things but they want it random and they dont want all these 30plus day windows. It defeats the whole purpose. Im sure you guys will defend it like it doesnt matter though. I was on Pac's side in some of this but its because I thought they would agree to random and maybe Floyd should accept like 3 days to a week out. Thats not the case though. Whats even more messed up is instead of negotating, it was Arum who immediatly said the fight was off and they are going to do something else. Floyd's team never said they are moving on.

    Arum said that if another group does it besides the USADA then they will take it but Floyd's camp dont want that so they are moving on. Then Schaffer came back saying, thats cool and they will use a different source but they just want it to be random and closer than those 30 day splits. Arum is now like, **** it. Were not doing it anymore no matter what. That **** dont sound iffy to you? Again, one of the #1 responses from Pac fans and even some Floyd fans were like, how come Floyd's team wont accept it if they are doing it like a week before and immediatly after. It should be in his system. Now we find out that it was never there real stance. There stance is 30 days out and after the fight. Even the most die hard Pac fans know that he could juice and still easily pass a test in that situation.

    That **** looks fishy to me now and there is no way you can put this on Floyd's side. Arum aint even willing to talk. You have alot of Pac fans saying thats good what Arum is doing and that Pac should stick with the lawsuit. What kind of coward talk is that? All of us want to see the fight. I myself took up for Pac when I thought it was random and within a week but 30 days and non random? Come on man. Then over 30 days from the 1st test to the 2nd test also. No one is even talking about that one but you can do alot in that time also. All the Pac fans whole stance was that Pac will do it, just not the day of the fight. Thats what they all say but its not true. They want 30 days.

    That **** aint right. Then they want to drop it to fight Paulie or Foreman? There so in a rush to do that? I just hope they come to there senses and come back to this fight. The thing thats so crazy is that they knew ahead of time. Everyone knew what Senior wanted and the Pac side said it was ok. Now they are tripping like they didnt know. If Arum was this upset then why did he even take the contract to Pac and go this far with it from the jump? Something changed and now they dont want it. Then they want to fight Paulie of all people. The same guy who accused them more than anyone and publicly. How does that sound?
    Great post. I could not have said it better.... Manny has something to hide.

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    • gqjohnb
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      #102
      Originally posted by aether
      ok... saw this example in the other thread.

      say your girlfriend accuses you of cheating. this su****ion started from a less-than reliable source (lets say a crack head). your girlfriend asks you to take a lie detector test to prove you are not cheating. say you werent cheating, and the sole basis of the su****ion is the crack head. do you:

      A. Take the test to prove your innocence
      B. Break up with the *****
      C. Try to compromise a way to prove your innocence without going through something so drastic

      you go for option C, then the crack head and your girlfriend start saying you are a cheater.

      you now go for option B.
      Okay i saw that example too if she gave me 40 million I would choose A without question.

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      • aether
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        #103
        Originally posted by S.G.
        Oh c'mon - do you really believe that is a valid excuse?

        There is actual SCIENCE that contradicts Manny's "superstitions".
        look, i don't think the blood tests would affect him at all physically, but he does. he had experience on it. taking manny's point of view, why would he have to do something he is uncomfortable with when he is already willing to take stricter tests than what Nevada and any sanctioning bodies require, when this whole **** storm started with this guy:



        no matter how you slice it, manny has every right to reject the additional tests.

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        • aether
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          #104
          Originally posted by gqjohnb
          Okay i saw that example too if she gave me 40 million I would choose A without question.
          that's your opinion... but is it so hard to believe someone is gonna choose C and then B and take the whole thing as a massive insult?

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            #105
            Originally posted by aether
            that shouldn't be even the question in the first place. no evidence of him being nothing but clean.

            yet to you, he must prove something. it isn't about the extra tests. its about how the issue is affecting his name. no matter how you slice it, floyd's camp had no right to make him take the additional tests and manny is not obligated to comply with such terms.

            he has every right to reject it.

            if he was juicing, and you are right, then too fucking bad. innocent till proven guilty, burden of proof in on his accusers.
            Excellent post!!!! You have hit the nail right on the head. Floyd never made this request of Oscar at the time when that was the supposed biggest fight ever. Oscar was speculated at the time to have been taking a banned substance to help him heal faster yet Mayweather never made this request. Floyd and his camp have made outlandish requests because they knew the terms would never be agreed to, so Floyd could divert he attention from himself if the fight didn't happen. Floyd is the one with long history of ducks not manny. Foyd has not fought an elite welterweight since he won the belt. I think this fight will still end up happening Pac and Arum are just gonna show Floyd that they will not be bullied and strong armed and I don't lame them. If this fight doesn't happen where is Floyd gonna go, because manny still has a number of fights out there for him. Is Floyd gonna make this request if he were to fight Mosley, I seriously doubt it and Mosley has been found guilty of PED. Floyd has more to lose here because he has already turned down fights with the other elite welters. I think Manny and Arum are gonna wait this out until they get terms they want, and I don't blame them. Floyd will not let a fight of this much money die , and if he does he is to blame, but it wouldn't be surprising based on his track record.

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            • gqjohnb
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              #106
              Originally posted by aether
              manny's camp said they have problem giving blood cause of the morales fight were he gave blood and lost even before the testing became a problem.
              How arrogant is that to truly believe that a blood test is the only way you could lose... lol I thought their excuse for that fight was the gloves before anyway.

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              • IMDAZED
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                #107
                Originally posted by aether
                i sense a trap

                blood has always been an issue. he believes it weakens him. he had blood drawn on the morales fight and he lost. i don't believe blood would weaken him physically, but he does. doesn't matter what you or I think. its his body.
                That's all I wanted to hear, bud. I, on the other hand, don't believe this excuse.

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                • gqjohnb
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                  #108
                  Originally posted by aether
                  that's your opinion... but is it so hard to believe someone is gonna choose C and then B and take the whole thing as a massive insult?
                  Yes it is extremely hard to believe that someone would be so egotistical and sensitive to turn down 40 million and the most important fight of his career because his feelings were hurt.

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                  • aether
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                    #109
                    Originally posted by IMDAZED
                    That's all I wanted to hear, bud. I, on the other hand, don't believe this excuse.
                    that's you, he believes it does. and i respect what he believes.

                    again, innocent until proven guilty.

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                    • aether
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                      #110
                      Originally posted by gqjohnb
                      Yes it is extremely hard to believe that someone would be so egotistical and sensitive to turn down 40 million and the most important fight of his career because his feelings were hurt.
                      manny was willing to turn down the hatton fight for what he thinks is fair, he got about 2% more and he agreed.

                      doesn't make sense to risk the biggest money fight he has ever gotten at that time for a chump change. yet he did.

                      you guys act like all people think the same way.

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