This "American" style is going to ruin boxing.

[skullduggery]

btw, if all fighters could fight like that, i believe they would

[Glamour Puss]

*** off

The last 3 rounds Hopkins was hanging on constantly, Estevez warned him how many times, so much so that i felt he was going to lose a point.

You just proved that you have an agenda.

I did? Cuz' I generally think Hopkins is also boring. That fight he wasn't.

And really? Cuz' it seems that it was in the last 3 rounds that he was gunning for a K.O of Pavlik?

If I remember correctly, he had Pavlik on ***** street in the 12th from all the punches he bounced off his face?

As for the bold...settle down tiger. Show some respect.

[Benny Leonard]

Here's the thing which is funny: When Tyson brought up the head-butts from Holyfield, who was a known head-butter who fighters thought did it on purpose, who did it to Tyson twice, how many backed Tyson on his complaints?

Many old timers actually said: That's a Boxing...that's fighting...that's something you have to deal with. And the bully, Tyson, was dealt with.

Ohters also pointed out that Tyson was mentally weak for not knowing how to deal with the head-butts and faulted him...and not so much Holyfield.

So...**** off everybody that didn't back Tyson.

To me, Tyson should have known how to deal with it like it or not but he didn't have an answer anymore. At his best, he probably would have known how because he would have been instructed on how to do so. Holyfield comes in, take one step back with the Jab out and unload an uppercut.


People bend rules in boxing just like in life. Boxers/Fighters have to be prepared for everything. That's the story with Fighters/Boxing.

[Glamour Puss]

btw, if all fighters could fight like that, i believe they would

Anyone can fight like that.

Its easy. Just grab and hold when on the inside, use dirty tricks and lunge w/ your head.

Whats so hard about that?

[skullduggery]

I did? Cuz' I generally think Hopkins is also boring. That fight he wasn't.

And really? Cuz' it seems that it was in the last 3 rounds that he was gunning for a K.O of Pavlik?

If I remember correctly, he had Pavlik on ***** street in the 12th from all the punches he bounced off his face?

As for the bold...settle down tiger. Show some respect.

i can name a bunch of american fighters that are much more exciting that fighters from all other countries....

[GG Marquez]

Ali was at his best prior to the layoff. He started to hold more as a tactic after his exile because he didn't have the legs/stamina like he did at his best...and didn't have the power to hold off such strong fighters...so I don't hold it to much against him even though I'm not a fan of it. Ali was a Master at understanding Boxing and what you can take if given...just like Jack Johnson and Gene Tunney...just like Lewis and Wlad today.

And before the layoff, Ali would use his legs and circle and pump the jab. The style that posters/fans today call "running". But in reality is the purest form of the sport.

Whenever the new fans start complaining about "running", i ask them what style Ali used vs Liston. What style Leonard used in the Duran rematch. What style Leonard used against Hagler, What style made Willie Pep a top ten ATG, What style made Pernell an ATG, etc.

Benny, I just feel that many of the new fans don't know the history of the sport.

[Glamour Puss]

Right.

I'm done here. I'm gonna play FN4 on xbox 360.

[Dynamite Kid]

I did? Cuz' I generally think Hopkins is also boring. That fight he wasn't.

And really? Cuz' it seems that it was in the last 3 rounds that he was gunning for a K.O of Pavlik?

If I remember correctly, he had Pavlik on ***** street in the 12th from all the punches he bounced off his face?

As for the bold...settle down tiger. Show some respect.

Hopkins was holding on for dear life!! at the end he was warned many many many times. Ward probably had a higher output than Hopkins to.

[Benny Leonard]

Absolutely true. And if Cotto had held Margo, Miguel would have won that fight.

You do what the referee allows you to do. You adjust. The same way a great hitter adjusts to the strike zone.

Well Cotto could have done a better job in that fight: where were the body shots?
Even Freddie Roach had an interview prior to Cotto even fighting Margarito and Freddie wondered what would happen if you go to Margarito's body hard.

Well, we found out with Shane Mosley who unloaded one of the most brutal body-shots I've ever seen early. The fight ended with that.


But back to the point: Clinching is a part of the game and always has been. But for me, I would rather watch a fighter like Pac...but...if clinching happens, it happens...however, don't do a Ricky Ruiz Old Man Hopkins type holding. That's boring and warnings and points should be deducted although one can argue what is deducted is their paychecks because fewer fans don't want to see them and that my friends is what changes a fighter's way of fighting: Once they saw a guy like say, Dempsey, clinching wasn't as important. He made the money...although even he used the clinch (like Tyson did) after a certain point in the fight. Just the way it is.

Look at boxing gloves as well: Meant to protect the hands but the size allows you to use them as a shield. Boxers find ways to adapt to what is given to them.

[S.G.]

Here's the thing which is funny: When Tyson brought up the head-butts from Holyfield, who was a known head-butter who fighters thought did it on purpose, who did it to Tyson twice, how many backed Tyson on his complaints?

Many old timers actually said: That's a Boxing...that's fighting...that's something you have to deal with. And the bully, Tyson, was dealt with.

Ohters also pointed out that Tyson was mentally weak for not knowing how to deal with the head-butts and faulted him...and not so much Holyfield.

So...**** off everybody that didn't back Tyson.

To me, Tyson should have known how to deal with it like it or not but he didn't have an answer anymore. At his best, he probably would have known how because he would have been instructed on how to do so. Holyfield comes in, take one step back with the Jab out and unload an uppercut.


People bend rules in boxing just like in life. Boxers/Fighters have to be prepared for everything. That's the story with Fighters/Boxing.

I completely agree. I hate to say it but Kessler fought like a bit of a pansy and Ward exploited the fact that Mikkel was completely uncomfortable when he turned up the heat.

Ways Kessler could have dealt with the rough house tactics:
- Learned to fight on the inside at some point in his career
- Better footwork and timing to stop Ward getting inside altogether
- Show some upperbody movement to nullify Ward's inside work which will in turn force the referee to step in