Ross Greenburg: "until Pacquiao beats Mayweather, his legacy is not complete". AGREE?

[Sammy2g3]

Very much disagree because Manny has already superseded what was expected of him. Floyd has been calling himself the greatest fighter of all time and he has failed to sign the fights the public and the critics wanted to see.

If Manny was to retire today, his legacy would be intact and there would be nothing you could say negative about him. You can't say the same about Floyd though.

Believe me, every fighter receives criticism and Manny is no exception.

[badboypeenoy]

That said, should Pacquiao and Mayweather never square off, their legacies will not be complete, Greenburg said.

“Pacquiao’s place in history is rising on a daily basis,” he said. “But he can only complete it by taking that next step. And it’s an obvious next step. Until he beats Floyd Mayweather, his legacy’s not cemented. And the same goes for Floyd, against Pacquiao.”

I know that this forum will agree that Floyd's legacy is incomplete. This website seems very anti-Mayweather. I was interested to know if you agree that people would say "what if..." or "but he didn't face Mayweather..." in the future as they talk about Pacquiao.

This wouldn't even be an issue if Pacquiao is American.

[Bernie Madoff]

Since Pac decided to fight and stay at WW rather than move back down to the lighter weights, he stands to face a challenge against the 2nd best in the sport right now.

He probably didn't want to commit to fight Floyd right away because he may decide to announce his retirement instead. But, it's inevitable.

The fans want it, Freddie Roach agrees, and Arum is making moves toward making it happen.

This is once and for all.

How much was the sales for this fight? Did Lampley say it was 1.5 million?

[jrosales13]

I think manny has seven, Oscar has six, Floyd and SRL have 5, etc. I'm not sure, but i think that is the ranking right now.

Please keep in mind that the modern greats will have mone than the legends because there were no junior/supers back in the day.

Again Oscar does not have 6 lineal, Floyd, SRL does not have 5 lineal. I am talking about lineal titles here. Pac is the only with 4 lineal belts. But, if Pac beats Mosley that is 3 in the original 8 weightclasses.

The original 8 weightclasses. Flyweight, Bantamweight, Featherweight, Lightweight, Welterweight, Middleweight, Light Heavyweight, Heavyweight.

Pac has won lineal in Flyweight and Featherweight. Only fighter in the history to done that. If Pac beats Mosley at 147. Than he would have 3 of the original 8. Which the only fighters to accomplish are Armstrong, SRR, Fitzsimmons and that is the only on who I can think off the top of my head. Only a fighter to win a Featherweight lineal title and a WW lineal title has been Armstrong. So how can that be overrated or overvalued. I am not talking about alphabetical titles or junior/super divisions. I am talking about the real deal lineal titles in the original weightclasses. Nothing overrated or overvalued about that.

[Talisayen]

thats right, the real truth showing the fear of pac losing if he gets in the ringwith floyd

Pac never ducked anybody since he was a 106 lbs. Pac already has three loses and it's not important for him to add another loss to his resume and won't even put a dent on his legacy, unlike your fighter Gayweather.

Gayweather is a well-known ducker in boxing and the only legacy he's trying to protect is the 0 which I think is overrated. If you put Kingkong in front of Pacquiao I'll bet my balls that he'll fight him.

[Bernie Madoff]

This wouldn't even be an issue if Pacquiao is American.

I don't know if that is true. Most of the fighters on p4p list are foreign and foreign fighters have always gotten respect in the US.

Calzaghe was #2 p4p. Hatton was #8 p4p

[Ch@mpBox@PR]

Pac is a 5 division title holder and a 4 division lineal champ, no ody has ever done that!!!

Greenberg STFY!!!!!!

[cortdawg25]

"The issue here is that Pacquiao has won a number of titles, but a hand full were not legitimate on the world stage. When you look at Oscar De La Hoya's accomplishment of winning 10 world titles in 6 different weight classes, it can be duly noted that every single strap he ever won was in fact a world title. In the case of Pacquiao, only 5 have been world titles, the other two were more regional. In example, the OPBF (Oriental Pacific Boxing Federation) strap, among others, have never been and perhaps will never be viewed as legitimate straps on a global scale. To be perfectly honest, even the IBO strap that he won against Hatton fails to meet the mark, which is why it doesn't show up on the charts. When you look at regional straps like the OPBF title he won many years ago, it's like an N.F.L. team winning the conference, but failing to win the superbowl. It gives superior value, but only over a certain level of opposition, not the entire realm of competition."



"Pacquiao is a 4-time world champion in 4 different weight divisions, not 5, or 6". With this recent victory, the only WORLD TITLE'S Pacquiao is currently given full credit for is the WBC Flyweight strap, the IBF Super-Bantamweight strap, the WBC Super-Featherweight strap, the WBC Lightweight strap, and now, the WBO welterweight strap. The Ring title and the OPBF strap, among others, are recognized accomplishments, but not ones for the official books. If we are to count the Ring titles that Pacquiao has received as an official world title, we need to recount Floyd's numbers, Oscar's, and many others, because somehow those efforts never made their current world title count list. Oscar's 10 world titles were all sanctioned organizations, not including his Ring titles. So, the best way to address the Pacquiao scenario would be to say he's a 7-time champion in 7 different weight divisions, but a 5-time WORLD CHAMPION in 5 different weight classes. The ring belt is not a sanctioned strap, and has no governing body. Anything less than world dominance by a sanctioned organization isn't categorically considered dominant enough for the books that count."


this i from mr.Wallace!!!

[jrosales13]

green k.........

Why would you give that man a green K for speaking nonsens? Does history remember Saddler being greater than Pep since Saddler beat him 3 times? Does history remember Hearns being greater than Duran since Hearns KO'd Duran in 2? History sometimes saying Duran is greater than Leonard. Head-to-head match-ups does not decide who was greater.

[RodBarker]

Pac never ducked anybody since he was a 106 lbs. Pac has already three loses and it's not important for him to add another loss to his resume, unlike your fighter Gayweather.

Gayweather is a well-known ducker in boxing and the only legacy he's trying to protect is the 0 which I think is overrated. If you put Kingkong in front of Pacquiao I'll bet my balls that he'll fight him.

Your balls havent dropped yet just an empty sac you got nothing to bet , thats why you have heros all a part of growing up , enjoy your idol , I like Pac as well just Im looking from a different perspective .