When floyd says "one demensional" i know exactly what he means, come read

[Dynamite Kid]

1 dimensional is just coming forward, with no movement. The angles that Manny takes, from left and right completely make him unorthodox, with a broken rthym, anyone with a solid Defense can get confused and open up.
How many boxers can say they fight similar to Manny?
His offense alone is multi dimensional, his footwork and the ability to dart in and out make it offensive and defensive.
Manny also showed everyone, purposely or not, that he can fight on the inside with Heavy hitters. He was letting Cotto him against the ropes, when he noticed Cotto was worn enough, he ducks out and starts his offense. His combos are also unconventional. Alot of fighters dont see them coming. Manny shows he can do it in a variety of ways, Hatton was taken down with a right hooks, Cotto was taken down by uppercuts. Manny was tysonesque setting up from a jab to an uppercut. Cotto never saw it coming and buckled.

Floyd has never seen a fighters like Manny before. You can say he neutralized and adjusted to many boxers, but names like Hatton, fat JMM, baldomir, and a dumb judah doesnt really impress me. Aside from maybe JMM, they are legitly 1 dimensional boxers. The fact that all but one of those fights went to 12 rounds shows the passiveness in floyd.

An Old De la hoya under roach gave him the most fits, but oscar was only a shell of himself and couldnt execute the game plan fully. A Primed Manny, with quicker and a more confusing attack can hurt Floyd. We'll see how he trys to defend and potshot Manny, we know Manny isnt just going to come straight forward, but from different angles.

Floyd cant shoulder roll a southpaw from an orthodox stance. So far floyd has put on defensive clinics against much lesser opponents which makes him look very good. Its no wonder he avoids fighters like cotto, mosley, and any real welterweights.

Excellent post.

Manny was throwing the straight left hand and instead of pulling out he would throw the uppercut with the same hand and follow up with another straight left that Cotto could not seem to avoid.

[El Jesus]

Problem there is Mayweather likes to calculate what his opponent is doing and Pacquiao is so unorthodox that you dont know!! how Floyd will adapt to his style, Mayweather was made to feel uncomfortable fighting inside against Chavez and ended up taking his game on the outside and only stepped back inside when Chavez started to tire, needless to say Chavez has no special effects to his game what so ever, neither does Castillo.

The unorthodox Soso disrupted Mayweather's rhythm, Castillo clearly! won the first fight, he has also been tagged by Corley and Judah who are both left handers.


Pac's left hand stance, workrate, speed and just generally unorthodoxy gives him a good chance in this fight. There is no knowing how Floyd will adapt to this kind of stuff.

I give floyd the benefit of the doubt on those opponents you named, i know exactly what you are talking about, but if were going to use those examples, then like i said, people say pac has improved so much and he has, floyd has also improved as well.

Alot of those fights took place so early in his career i would think a guy that intelligent has learned by now. Thats just speculation though, you never know.

[El Jesus]

Excellent post.

Manny was throwing the straight left hand and instead of pulling out he would throw the uppercut with the same hand and follow up with another straight left that Cotto could not seem to avoid.

Cotto also was leaning alot when that happened, you never see floyd doing that **** in slow motion. Cotto was also doing what i mentioned earlier, STANDING IN FRONT OF HIM when no headmovement whatsoever. He was looking to exchange everytime he got caught like that.

[KRITKL]

At the higher weights, pac is so flatflooted, it doesnt have to slow him down, again, i have seen nothing that suggests he could fight a guy like mayweather who is constantly on the move, mayweather also clinches ALOT, im not talking holding excessively, im talking he can make it very frustrating on the inside. I need to see something from pac that says when mayweather is on the move, he has a counter other than "wait for him to slow down and exchange". Mayweather isnt going to do that unless he sees a reason to.

At the higher weights I haven't seen Floyd be as quick on his feet as you say. Hatton was able to pressure him the whole fight and land some shots. To bad he has no defense. In the clinches Pac can catch him and that will slow down Floyd. Pac's body worh isn't being appreciated in the Cotto fight. Almost every combo started or ended with a bodyshot. That had a big effect on slowing down Cotto.

[Bogler]

goodpost, green K.

i think floyd will tko or ko pac from accumulation.

Pac chin can withstand some good punishment. but that doesnt mean his brain can withstand the punishment of consistent, clean, hard, accurate blows connecting above 50%

especially if floyd opens up and throws punches like he did against Gatti

you really shouldn't post. since when did floyd beat someone of elite caliber by accumulation? an old past prime slow blownup JMM was there for the taking and he's still potshotting for ****'s sake.

[LEFTYGUNZZ]

Cotto slowed down, thats why he couldnt avoid pacs fury, i saw alot less cutting off the ring, and alot more cotto stopping to get off an exchange. Pac was very flat footed and in some instances followed him.

I know you arent going to read all of that because you arent interested in any counterpoint discussion, nor are you interested in providing reason to how Roach can prepare Pac for the strategies i just named. Thats expected.

It is simple how Roach will prepare PAC. But nly ROACh knows that or exactly what he will use as his strategy. Obviously it isw going to involve combinations movement and cutting off the ring. FMJ is a totally different fighter than PAC has ever fought. FMJ is not going to exchange with PAC but at the same time I think PAC is the fastest FMJ has fought so i don't know if he will be able to evade him the way he does others. This fight will defintely involve a ton of clintches all initiated by FMJ....Lefty

[El Jesus]

At the higher weights I haven't seen Floyd be as quick on his feet as you say. Hatton was able to pressure him the whole fight and land some shots. To bad he has no defense. In the clinches Pac can catch him and that will slow down Floyd. Pac's body worh isn't being appreciated in the Cotto fight. Almost every combo started or ended with a bodyshot. That had a big effect on slowing down Cotto.

Hatton landed virtually nothing effective, that isnt a good example IMO.

However the second part of youre post is worth noting about Pacs body work.

Also, floyd WANTED hatton to come at him, the fact that they brought in the sparring partners they did told me that. Floyd outmuscled hatton, out worked him and beat him at his own game. They wanted that and it showed.

[Dynamite Kid]

Cotto also was leaning alot when that happened, you never see floyd doing that **** in slow motion. Cotto was also doing what i mentioned earlier, STANDING IN FRONT OF HIM when no headmovement whatsoever. He was looking to exchange everytime he got caught like that.

He was but take a look how Cotto was trying to avoid it, by leaning back away from it but there was no where for him to go after slipping the first one when Manny would fire the uppercut with the same hand and followed up with another straight left. He wont catch Mayweather as much as he did Cotto because of Cotto's stance of putting too much weight on his lead foot, but i have no doubt that he will be able to land his left hand on Mayweather.

[PensionKiller]

Hatton landed virtually nothing effective, that isnt a good example IMO.

However the second part of youre post is worth noting about Pacs body work.

I think what he is trying to say is that Pressure effectively can neutralise Mayweather as much as possible. In the sense that if you try to box May in the middle of the ring, you are unlikely to win, while if you cn rpessure him and run him down, then there's a much better chance to beat him. However Hatton had no defense and his speed and shots were not good enough to connect. Hatton is a lot easier to read with his looping left hooks and Floyd worked him out quite quickly. Manny has the kind of speed that you can't see, and Floyd has great eyes but even he won't be able to work it out or defend against a combination. Something will get through. Now the question is, will Pac be so open that he will get hit back as much?

When some people throw pucnhes, you can see it. Infact anyone without let's say B class speed and has a few shots in their armory can be read.

[..David..]

truth be told i tought this was gonna be another heat thread but i actually found it very good.. you do make solid points and i agree with most of your post.

Still you have to admit it will be one hell of a fight if it happens hahaa ha

Great post by the way (Y)