When floyd says "one demensional" i know exactly what he means, come read

[El Jesus]

Great post. Floyd is going to have to move if he fights Pac, because like you said his offence is mostly effective against a stationary or forward moving fighter. Floyd trying to make it a inside fight ain't going to work. Although Floyd is good at it, it will just give Pac a chance to land something. Pac has shown he can fight inside just see rds2-4 vs Cotto, or the Diaz and 2nd EM fight. He wasn't always inside but when he was he did some work.
I don't see Floyd's potshots slowing down Pac, if Cotto's jab didn't do it Floyd's ain't going to do it. I see a close fight going to a decision, single accurate punches and defense vs activity and agression.

At the higher weights, pac is so flatflooted, it doesnt have to slow him down, again, i have seen nothing that suggests he could fight a guy like mayweather who is constantly on the move, mayweather also clinches ALOT, im not talking holding excessively, im talking he can make it very frustrating on the inside. I need to see something from pac that says when mayweather is on the move, he has a counter other than "wait for him to slow down and exchange". Mayweather isnt going to do that unless he sees a reason to.

[Left Hook Tua]

Good post all round, I think Mayweather would pick Pac off easily and get on his bike when he needs to, JMM was able to box and brawl with pac because he has the technical ability that most latin fighter dont possess.
Mayweather would beat pac and make it look easy but people would say he didnt stand and trade whenever it happens.

wtf? yes most latin fighters don't possess technical ability.

unfortunately for floyd he doesn't have balls like marquez. most african american fighters don't possess that.

[Pullcounter]

Floyd can run if he wants, but cotto tried to run and pac got every round in which cotto ran... just look at the punch stats.

[Dynamite Kid]

Problem there is Mayweather likes to calculate what his opponent is doing and Pacquiao is so unorthodox that you dont know!! how Floyd will adapt to his style, Mayweather was made to feel uncomfortable fighting inside against Chavez and ended up taking his game on the outside and only stepped back inside when Chavez started to tire, needless to say Chavez has no special effects to his game what so ever, neither does Castillo.

The unorthodox Soso disrupted Mayweather's rhythm, Castillo clearly! won the first fight, he has also been tagged by Corley and Judah who are both left handers.


Pac's left hand stance, workrate, speed and just generally unorthodoxy gives him a good chance in this fight. There is no knowing how Floyd will adapt to this kind of stuff.

[PensionKiller]

This isnt a disrespect to pac, Pacs legacy is currently ahead of floyds. If you know me, im not a hater, i have respected and followed pac longer than alot of you likely reading this thread


. But when he says one demensional, i know what he means. Pacs diversity and angles are almost entirely offensive, and most of them come from when an opponent is stationary and attempting to trade. Alot of what he does works when an opponent is standing in front of him. For example, cotto was on the move, and jabbing, pac did absolutely nothing. All of the angles, diversity and his fantastic right hand are only effective if you are standing front of him either waiting for it or in the middle of an exchange. You take that away, and you can see floyds point.

Think about this. A guy like floyd who can take you inside, outside, move and throws every punch in the book, is extremely diverse. People keep talking about the shoulder roll like its his only defense, this guy gives you a different look practically every round. Also, people talk about pacs "improved defense", im not really seeing that. What i see is a grade A chin and a mountain of punch resistence. What i also see is cotto, moved, jabbed, even when he had nothing, still snapped pacs head back, technicians like floyd see that stuff a mile away. Cotto also connected with looping arm punches that had no buisness connecting. Mayweather can also take the fight inside and he needs virtually no room to punch, ive yet to see pac in a phonebooth.

Another thing that has to be noted. When pac moves his head to the right, the left hand over the top comes in every single time, cotto actually took a step back and threw a straight and stopped him in his tracks.

Floyd is not going to do what cotto did which is stand in front of him and attempt to impose his will. If pac wants to have any chance against floyd, they have to prepare him for floyd to be on the move. Frankly this is a very difficult fight for pac. Ive already seen floyd adjust midfight countless times. If you are looking to the judah fight for success, dont, if thats the case, ill look to the morales fight. Both floyd and pac are improved from that time, however its pacs chin and his outstanding power that have carried him this far. also his quickness.

Remember this also, floyd has a tendency to make fighters very wary of his accuracy which completely drops their punch output. Its not going to be a wipeout on either side.

Pac is 1 dimensional as Floyd is. That does not mean that both are weak fighters.

Both have excellent quality in their respective styles. Pac is a brawler but he has a lot of stuff happening. Emmanuel Steward has an eye and he is very imrpessed with him in the subtle things. He also is very imrpessed with Floyd too and sees things like how Floyd has superb eyes and always has them open and reads the shot coming.

Both have the style, but also the physical ability to make it an exciting fight.

Some people who say Floyd has the talent but the fights are boring because the opponents liek Oscar didn't really have it in them to make it exciting. Well in this case, I have a feeling that they have so much going on in their techniques that it will be exciting.

Floyd can faint, Pac can move laterally like a train. Pac moves left and right with his body and Floyd can shoulder roll. Pac and Floyd have superb chins. Both are precise and have speed. Both have excellent footwork. Both are incredibly fit. Pac sparring is sexy to watch, Floyd skipping is unreal. Pac has power and Floyd can roll shots. Floyd can pot shot and Pac can coem back with 3 punches. Floyd is using his jab again and Pac has a great left straight. Pac has combinations and angles and Floyd can fight on the inside like anyone. Both look good on mits in different ways.

Both are world wide stars. Will this fight display the most skill and talent of the best two boxers of our generation?

**** man I'm hope it does not disapoint.

[El Jesus]

Floyd can run if he wants, but cotto tried to run and pac got every round in which cotto ran... just look at the punch stats.

No, i looked at the fight. Cotto ran, pac had no answer until COTTO HIMSELF slowed down and tried to exchange because thats his tendency. Cotto wasnt prepared to do that, he went to his survival instincts, thats NOT how he prepared himself to fight, he was already worn out and running and jabbing for his life.

I dont think you read my post at all. Its not just "running" im talking about. If you are going to bare this argument down to "punch stats" then you should just leave the thread.

[Left Hook Tua]

Floyd can run if he wants, but cotto tried to run and pac got every round in which cotto ran... just look at the punch stats.

floyd fans think floyd can win this so easily just by potshotting.

pacquiao will make him fight. only way to avoid that is by running.

running will give pacquiao the round.

[lman2k2]

fucking floyd is one dimensional.

idiot !!!!!

[Left Hook Tua]

idiot !!!!!

your mama.

[shogunn]

This isnt a disrespect to pac, Pacs legacy is currently ahead of floyds. If you know me, im not a hater, i have respected and followed pac longer than alot of you likely reading this thread


. But when he says one demensional, i know what he means. Pacs diversity and angles are almost entirely offensive, and most of them come from when an opponent is stationary and attempting to trade. Alot of what he does works when an opponent is standing in front of him. For example, cotto was on the move, and jabbing, pac did absolutely nothing. All of the angles, diversity and his fantastic right hand are only effective if you are standing front of him either waiting for it or in the middle of an exchange. You take that away, and you can see floyds point.

Think about this. A guy like floyd who can take you inside, outside, move and throws every punch in the book, is extremely diverse. People keep talking about the shoulder roll like its his only defense, this guy gives you a different look practically every round. Also, people talk about pacs "improved defense", im not really seeing that. What i see is a grade A chin and a mountain of punch resistence. What i also see is cotto, moved, jabbed, even when he had nothing, still snapped pacs head back, technicians like floyd see that stuff a mile away. Cotto also connected with looping arm punches that had no buisness connecting. Mayweather can also take the fight inside and he needs virtually no room to punch, ive yet to see pac in a phonebooth.

Another thing that has to be noted. When pac moves his head to the right, the left hand over the top comes in every single time, cotto actually took a step back and threw a straight and stopped him in his tracks.

Floyd is not going to do what cotto did which is stand in front of him and attempt to impose his will. If pac wants to have any chance against floyd, they have to prepare him for floyd to be on the move. Frankly this is a very difficult fight for pac. Ive already seen floyd adjust midfight countless times. If you are looking to the judah fight for success, dont, if thats the case, ill look to the morales fight. Both floyd and pac are improved from that time, however its pacs chin and his outstanding power that have carried him this far. also his quickness.

Remember this also, floyd has a tendency to make fighters very wary of his accuracy which completely drops their punch output. Its not going to be a wipeout on either side.

1 dimensional is just coming forward, with no movement. The angles that Manny takes, from left and right completely make him unorthodox, with a broken rthym, anyone with a solid Defense can get confused and open up.
How many boxers can say they fight similar to Manny?
His offense alone is multi dimensional, his footwork and the ability to dart in and out make it offensive and defensive.
Manny also showed everyone, purposely or not, that he can fight on the inside with Heavy hitters. He was letting Cotto him against the ropes, when he noticed Cotto was worn enough, he ducks out and starts his offense. His combos are also unconventional. Alot of fighters dont see them coming. Manny shows he can do it in a variety of ways, Hatton was taken down with a right hooks, Cotto was taken down by uppercuts. Manny was tysonesque setting up from a jab to an uppercut. Cotto never saw it coming and buckled.

Floyd has never seen a fighters like Manny before. You can say he neutralized and adjusted to many boxers, but names like Hatton, fat JMM, baldomir, and a dumb judah doesnt really impress me. Aside from maybe JMM, they are legitly 1 dimensional boxers. The fact that all but one of those fights went to 12 rounds shows the passiveness in floyd.

An Old De la hoya under roach gave him the most fits, but oscar was only a shell of himself and couldnt execute the game plan fully. A Primed Manny, with quicker and a more confusing attack can hurt Floyd. We'll see how he trys to defend and potshot Manny, we know Manny isnt just going to come straight forward, but from different angles.

Floyd cant shoulder roll a southpaw from an orthodox stance. So far floyd has put on defensive clinics against much lesser opponents which makes him look very good. Its no wonder he avoids fighters like cotto, mosley, and any real welterweights.