Haye Outpoints Valuev in Tedious Fashion, Snatches Title

[kingfaze19]

damn i clicked the wrong link . heavyweights still exist ? yea , im not interested

[handler000]

I hope this fight will finally put to rest the myth that it's impossible to get a decision in Germany, even when the judges are all from neutral countries. Two of the judges had it 116-112 to Haye, whereas most analysts had it much closer than that (Cliff scored it a draw), and a few even had Valuev in the lead. I had Haye winning, but very narrowly.

As long as the judges are from neutral countries, anyone who deserves to win can win in Germany, and this fight proves it.

You are an expert "wanna be". Stop being so "Naive".. What analysts had it as close as Cliff? :*******:

[steeluv]

When Floyd hits and runs its boxing.
How many people would stand and trade with a big ****er like Valuez lol.

Yeah true, most americans like to like to say this, And Haye didn't do any of that hugging throughout every round when they are scared of an opponent ala Floyd or Direll who must be going for hugging world records. The dudes Floyd and Direlll did it to were actually smaller than themselves, now thats alot more shameful you yankees should be ashamed with your biased behaviours, not a guy who has serious weight height and reach advantages, I dont see floyd going in against a a big Welter weight never mind someone who dwarfs him lol

[KiloTeague]

Yeah true, most americans like to like to say this, And Haye didn't do any of that hugging throughout every round when they are scared of an opponent ala Floyd or Direll who must be going for hugging world records. The dudes Floyd and Direlll did it to were actually smaller than themselves, now thats alot more shameful you yankees should be ashamed with your biased behaviours, not a guy who has serious weight height and reach advantages, I dont see floyd going in against a a big Welter weight never mind someone who dwarfs him lol

You forget that at the same time Floyd is setting punch stat records landing at almost 60%. And Dirrel outlanded Froch more than 3-1 so The offence is there, your just mad because people can't hit them.

[The Hammer]

David Haye is a tedious, boring runner.

Haye-Ruiz will put EVERYBODY to sleep.

[Dave Rado]

David Haye is a tedious, boring runner.

Haye-Ruiz will put EVERYBODY to sleep.

Carnivore/Tunney is a tedious, boring hater, when posting about Haye, whose predictable posts on the subject put EVERYBODY to sleep.

Shame, because when you're objective, you post some good analyses, but your posts about Haye are never ever objective.

[Mugwump]

I thought Haye fought not far from the perfect tactical fight (even more credit given the hand injury). He knew he couldn't get involved in a bar brawl with Valuev and had to potshot from the outside.

Given his propensity to go bomb crazy he showed remarkable maturity curbing his natural instincts. The best fighters know how to win ugly. This was always going to be an ugly fight and so the tactics needed to be precision.

Yes, he could have thrown more leather and I genuinely believe he would have had Valuev in serious trouble if he did. But any kind of hand injury and all bets are off. You've just got to find a way to win - Danny Williams-style.

Was Haye injured? Without much evidence to the contrary I've got to take the man at his word.

Great win. Looking forward to him shaking up the HW division a bit more. It surely needs it.

[cybertiledude]

I thought Haye fought not far from the perfect tactical fight (even more credit given the hand injury). He knew he couldn't get involved in a bar brawl with Valuev and had to potshot from the outside.

Given his propensity to go bomb crazy he showed remarkable maturity curbing his natural instincts. The best fighters know how to win ugly. This was always going to be an ugly fight and so the tactics needed to be precision.

Yes, he could have thrown more leather and I genuinely believe he would have had Valuev in serious trouble if he did. But any kind of hand injury and all bets are off. You've just got to find a way to win - Danny Williams-style.

Was Haye injured? Without much evidence to the contrary I've got to take the man at his word.

Great win. Looking forward to him shaking up the HW division a bit more. It surely needs it.

I'm looking forward to having one less of those lumbering Russians with a championship belt.

[Odawg]

Almost all the clean and effective power punches that were landed by anyone were landed by Haye. All that Valuev landed was jabs, and most of his jabs that landed at all didn't land cleanly.



Most people did score the Froch-Dirrell fight to Dirrell.

Both fights were close and difficult to score. They weren't robberies and wouldn't have been robberies if the other fighter had won.

i agree the few shots haye did land were more effective, however i also believe fights are scored on effective agression, eg coming forward aand making the fight i dont think haye really showed that, if you land such a small amount of punches and i mean a really small amount i dont think you can say you won the fight, ok we know it wouldnt have been smart for him to stand and trade but he could have made more of an effort to throw punches before moving off on his feet, watch the fight again i think there were a few rounds where he didnt land any blows, valuev was made to look clumsy and slow and even though he didnt hit him cleanly that many times i think he landed alot more and brought the fight to him, and im not saying most people didnt score the fight for direll i said how did he lose if haye won e.g how the judges give froch the win when i think he did what haye did but more effectively, if you box and move you do just that throw some quick shots and get out of there which direll was doing, haye was jus running, hes a much better fighter than that and if he had fought like he did in the 12th we would have a cleaar winner here. valuev nicked it by a couple of rounds, but hayes the better fighter, i think it was just because of the hand. he will ko ruiz in 3 or less. o i c u also have cotto to win, i can almost guarantee he loses, when i talked about boxing and movin, throwin punches and getting out of there, hes the best example, as a boxer myself its magic to watch, cotto will be completely overwhelmed by the speed, people dont realize its a dif thing once ur inside the ring cotto will realize just how fast he is i defo see a stoppage, there is only one man who can neutralize manny and thats mayweather although i still c manny handing him his first loss

[Dave Rado]

however i also believe fights are scored on effective agression

Valuev's aggression was totally innefective. He didn't land a single clean power punch in the entire fight, and he landed very few clean jabs.

The top criterion is clean and effective punches landed. Haye landed considerably more of those than Valuev. The second top criterion is effective aggression, but neither fighter showed any of that so on that score it was even. The third top criterion is defence, and both showed equally good defence. The final criterion is ring generalship and Haye won on that score hands down.

if you land such a small amount of punches and i mean a really small amount i dont think you can say you won the fight

Valuev landed even fewer clean punches and far fewer effective ones.

, ok we know it wouldnt have been smart for him to stand and trade but he could have made more of an effort to throw punches before moving off on his feet

He didn't because his right hand was injured in the second round.

i think there were a few rounds where he didnt land any blows

He lost those rounds on the cards. There were only a couple where he literally landed nothing though.


As for Cotto, we'll see ...