Why does Calzaghe get bashed for fighting in Europe...

[The Hammer]

The difference between two European countries and two American States is exponential.

Yes. I was surprised that dans01234 doesn't understand that.

[Ray*]

Calzaghe fought mostly in europe because most of the people who pose a threat to him were europeans, When he got to the level where the american became relevant he was a big enough name by that time to be able to have the fight over here in the UK.

It was finacially better for the fight involving him and any american like Lacy to be held over here in the UK unless you're a big name american who can generate more money like Jones or B-Hop.

[Wan Long Pong]

It's sort of a double standard, but first I'd like to address this with the above mentioned Dawson in mind:

America is much bigger than those countries. You say Calzaghe fought in England, Scotland, Denmark, etc. But for instance from Cardiff to London is 130 miles, about 2 hours. The distance from Cardiff to Scotland is about 300 miles. The difference from Cardiff to Denmark is about 500 miles.

So you saying that Calzaghe fought in other countries including those is like saying Chad Dawson fought in New Jersey, which is about 2 hours from Connecticut.

And then here's the kicker, Calzaghe's furthest fight besides going to America, is going to Germany and Denmark, which are around 500 miles from Cardiff. Calzaghe fighting in Denmark and Germany is about the same as Dawson fighting in Pittsburgh.

Don't penalize American fighters because they live in a bigger country. Dawson fighting in Vegas is over 2,000 from his home. Sorry American fighters don't call themselves road warriors for fighting in the next state over.

Also, by the way, Dawson fought in the UK already and he still has a long way to go before his career is done. Fighting Diaconu in Romania is not a smart career move for Dawson, compared to making the money he did for fighting Tarver.

I don't see how you can hate on Dawson with this. Maybe Mayweather as he fights almost exclusively in Vegas and never outside the US.

You're confusing geographical space with socio-political constructs. It's an easy mistake to make.... if you're a ******.

Compare England and Turkey. They have different cultures, languages, religions and histories - histories that go back far, far further than modern America.

Or England and Germany - do you honestly think that an Englishman fighting in Germany (when it's still within many peoples' lifetimes that they fought each other in the war?) is going to get the same fair treatment as someone from Vegas fighting in NY?

Oh, wait, I forget.... Vegas is bigger than England in terms of size, and England is nearer to Germany than Vegas is to NY, so you must have a point


What a frickin' ****** you are.

[dans]

Yes. I was surprised that dans01234 doesn't understand that.

I do understand that. Don't take me for an idiot.

What you're saying is that US fighters should be discredited for not fighting outside the US as much as European fighters. What I'm saying is, it's much easier for Europeans to fight in other European countries because of the geographic size. Clearly, culturally theres a much bigger difference between England and Germany than two US cities, but what does that have to do with boxing?

[Kris Silver]

I do understand that. Don't take me for an idiot.

What you're saying is that US fighters should be discredited for not fighting outside the US as much as European fighters. What I'm saying is, it's much easier for Europeans to fight in other European countries because of the geographic size. Clearly, culturally theres a much bigger difference between England and Germany than two US cities, but what does that have to do with boxing?

Lots, otherwise anyone would fight anywhere. Your undermining even your point now.

Dude just stop, otherwise one of these guys is gona crucify you. You just don't seem to be clued up on geography or the points around this. I thought I was firm but fair but there's been a good few comments already, your digging a seriously deep whole and just not getting it, it will get embarrassing.

[CiganoBoxer]

If you remember when Hopkins pulled out the first calzaghe fight Hopkins wasn't that Big a draw...but by the time they fought ..Hopkins was a bigger attraction !

[Wan Long Pong]

I do understand that. Don't take me for an idiot.

What you're saying is that US fighters should be discredited for not fighting outside the US as much as European fighters. What I'm saying is, it's much easier for Europeans to fight in other European countries because of the geographic size. Clearly, culturally theres a much bigger difference between England and Germany than two US cities, but what does that have to do with boxing?

Take the England/Turkey thing I referenced.

Obviously a Christian boxer fighting in a ****** country (or vice versa) will be less likely to get a fair shake than two people from the same (larger, granted) country that has far smaller differences.

What you also have to remember is the history of England in the world. It ran the world before we handed it over to Fat Yanks to have a go, so that's a lot of historically pissed-off people we're talking about there. Even an Englishman travelling to Scotland to fight a Scottish boxer is likely get the ****ty end of the Braveheart stick when it comes to officiating. And this despite the fact that both countries together are smaller than a state.

I'm not responding to the original thread's point of whether or not US boxers should travel as it's been done before and I haven't got time. What I'm responding to is your suggestion that the size of countries has an effect on boxers travelling between them. Joe Calzaghe fighting in Germany is a far bigger ask than an American fighting in another part of America, or even Calzaghe himself fighting in America. The small size of Germany and closeness to Wales does not impact on that.

[NakiFan]

What I find is that back in the 80's Americans were considered the best fighters, because all the tv money was there, there was no internet and you had don king walking around waving the stars and stripes while american marines saluted the flag and cried tears of patriotism.

American Media ignored european fighters and prefered there american fighters to fight american tin cans rather than risk them against talented, but unknown european fighters.

Thus Fighters like Roy Jones and James Toney could fight Dinner ladies and road sweepers rather than the likes of Benn, Eubank and other european nations great super middleweights.

Nowadays all that bull**** has finished and money and hype wise it's an even playing field. Talent wise Europe and America are also tied.

Fighters from america AND europe should both look to journey overseas if they want respect. IMO.

[Wan Long Pong]

That goes both ways, son.

Manfredo would have had too much for Hopkins. But against Calzaghe it took Terry O'Connor to step in and save his life.

[Ryn0]

The money, history is in the US

Actually, if its to be believed.

The money is in Europe now, shifting to places where boxing is still mainstream or not faded. Like the UK, Germany etc.