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  • The Hammer
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    #21
    Originally posted by King_Lukas
    Do me a favour? He fought Tocker Pudwell for god sake.
    Tocker Pudwill was a short-notice replacement because Joe's scheduled opponent was injured.

    Tocker was no worse than some of Jones and Hopkins title defenses, yet the haters never fail to bring up his name.

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    • King_Lukas
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      #22
      Originally posted by ABOSWORTH
      All fighters pad their records. Hopkins fought a lot of bums as well, to pad his record after his loss to Jones and this is coming from a Hopkins fan. I'm not even a fan of Calzaghe, just being fair.
      Fair you were too dude, but did Calzaghe do everything he needed to unify the division, B-Hop has never ducked anyone, Joe has period.

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      • Sergio Martinez
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        #23
        Some good points and one's that make sense. I guess just because the USA is looked at as the nation of boxing, and you need to fight there to prove yourself as a great fighter.

        Sad but true........

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        • FreshOutOfHell
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          #24
          There are some soft opponents on Joe's resume, but besides prime RJJ @ 168 i can't think of another opponent he could have fought that would have mattered.
          It wasnt Joes fault it didn't hapen as far as I remember.

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          • Chunk..
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            #25
            Calzaghe beats everyone on Hopkins resume.

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            • Princemanspopa
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              #26
              Joe Calzaghe sat back and wasted his prime years by defending his WBO title against overmatched mandatory challengers rather than seek to unify his division and seek the greatest opposition that was avaliable.

              Joe Calzaghe sat back and whined and bitched about how he wasn't recieving the respect and recognition that he deserved as one of the best fighters in the world,all the while he was happy sitting back and avoiding any elite fighter with a working pulse.


              The fact that it took almost ten years for Joe Calzaghe,to finally unify the division and finally beat the the best opposition in his weight class,is rather sad and pathetic.

              Joe Calzaghe had talent,sure he had talent,but talent doesn't mean **** when you waste it.


              Joe Calzaghe is a fraud and a sham of which is currently being marketed as some ATG fighter and the general public in Britain are ****** enough to by into it.Joe Calzaghe is alot of things,but a great fighter he will never be.

              Joe Calzaghe isn't even the greatest welsh fighter of all time,let alone the greatest British fighter of all time.
              Last edited by Princemanspopa; 11-06-2009, 07:08 PM.

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              • dans
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                #27
                Originally posted by Carnivore
                When B-Hop, Mayweather, Dawson and many other American fighters WILL NEVER leave the US?

                Boxing draws bigger crowds in Europe than the US, and they could make bigger paydays...

                Calzaghe actually left his home country of Wales many times, fighting in England, Scotland, Denmark, Germany and the US (twice).

                But Dawson gave up his WBC title because he was afraid to fight a prime Diaconu in Romania, and instead chose to fight old Tarver in the US. The people who bash Calzaghe never mention that...

                Is there a double standard for Americans and non-Americans?

                It's sort of a double standard, but first I'd like to address this with the above mentioned Dawson in mind:

                America is much bigger than those countries. You say Calzaghe fought in England, Scotland, Denmark, etc. But for instance from Cardiff to London is 130 miles, about 2 hours. The distance from Cardiff to Scotland is about 300 miles. The difference from Cardiff to Denmark is about 500 miles.

                So you saying that Calzaghe fought in other countries including those is like saying Chad Dawson fought in New Jersey, which is about 2 hours from Connecticut.

                And then here's the kicker, Calzaghe's furthest fight besides going to America, is going to Germany and Denmark, which are around 500 miles from Cardiff. Calzaghe fighting in Denmark and Germany is about the same as Dawson fighting in Pittsburgh.

                Don't penalize American fighters because they live in a bigger country. Dawson fighting in Vegas is over 2,000 from his home. Sorry American fighters don't call themselves road warriors for fighting in the next state over.

                Also, by the way, Dawson fought in the UK already and he still has a long way to go before his career is done. Fighting Diaconu in Romania is not a smart career move for Dawson, compared to making the money he did for fighting Tarver.

                I don't see how you can hate on Dawson with this. Maybe Mayweather as he fights almost exclusively in Vegas and never outside the US.

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                  #28
                  Originally posted by King_Lukas
                  Fair you were too dude, but did Calzaghe do everything he needed to unify the division, B-Hop has never ducked anyone, Joe has period.
                  Except Calzaghe in 2002.

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                    #29
                    Originally posted by dans01234
                    It's sort of a double standard, but first I'd like to address this with the above mentioned Dawson in mind:

                    America is much bigger than those countries. You say Calzaghe fought in England, Scotland, Denmark, etc. But for instance from Cardiff to London is 130 miles, about 2 hours. The distance from Cardiff to Scotland is about 300 miles. The difference from Cardiff to Denmark is about 500 miles.

                    So you saying that Calzaghe fought in other countries including those is like saying Chad Dawson fought in New Jersey, which is about 2 hours from Connecticut.

                    And then here's the kicker, Calzaghe's furthest fight besides going to America, is going to Germany and Denmark, which are around 500 miles from Cardiff. Calzaghe fighting in Denmark and Germany is about the same as Dawson fighting in Pittsburgh.

                    Don't penalize American fighters because they live in a bigger country. Dawson fighting in Vegas is over 2,000 from his home. Sorry American fighters don't call themselves road warriors for fighting in the next state over.

                    Also, by the way, Dawson fought in the UK already and he still has a long way to go before his career is done. Fighting Diaconu in Romania is not a smart career move for Dawson, compared to making the money he did for fighting Tarver.

                    I don't see how you can hate on Dawson with this. Maybe Mayweather as he fights almost exclusively in Vegas and never outside the US.
                    Good post...

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                    • dans
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                      #30
                      Also, since winning his first title at 175, Dawson has only fought one time in his home state, with this weekend being the second. Other than that, he's fought in California, Nevada, and Florida.

                      After winning his first major world title, Calzaghe fought 9 times in the UK, then went to Denmark, after that he continued to fight 5 more times in the UK before fighting in Germany, which I'll remind you is closer than the above locations that Dawson fought at.

                      Just to be clear, I could care less either way. If Calzaghe could draw crowds in the UK and be satisfied, that's his choice. But don't act like Calzaghe was a world traveler when most of his fights were a train ride away.

                      America is much bigger than European countries.

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