Why does Calzaghe get bashed for fighting in Europe...

[Pugilistic™]

Calzaghe beats everyone on Hopkins resume.

That goes both ways, son.

[dans]

Cardiff to Edinburgh is more like 400 miles. And when he fought in England, despite being born in England, Calzaghe was sometimes spat at by the English fans when entering the Ring. That's within Britain. Not quite the cosey close together supporters of local euro fighters you suggest may be the case. He may have even received better treatment travelling thousands of miles to Abu Dhabi.

What does this tell us?

That dude, it's not about the distance. It's not a competition of miles. That is rather ridiculous.

It's a matter of different countries. Different cultures, people, supporters.

You say don't penalise American boxers for living in a bigger country, if one travels 500 miles within the US for a fight great, but it's still the same country, ultimately. It's noway near the same as travelling 500 miles into a completely different country, culture, set of people, fans, language, with most of the crowd against you, shouting abuse in a foreign language.

I understand the whole culture, fans, language thing, but do you think that just because Dawson is in America, it's a hometown fight? He doesn't have to deal with the elements that Calzaghe does in going to other nations? Maybe he doesn't to the extent of fans spitting in your face and such, but him fighting Glen Johnson in Florida is about the same as Calzaghe fighting in another country. That's why in America we can have a lot of hometown decisions for two AMERICAN fighters.

Was Paulie Malignaggi in the comforts of home when he fought Juan Diaz in America? No, he was booed, treated unfairly, and IMO was robbed of a decision win.

Oh and on a lighter note, I wouldn't mind fans swearing at me in another language, at least you can't understand them. That's less threatening than knowing what they're saying.

[Chunk..]

That goes both ways, son.

Hopkins lost to Roy Jones.

[dans]

Hopkins lost to Roy Jones.

And Calzaghe would lose to a prime Roy Jones too IMO.

[Chunk..]

And Calzaghe would lose to a prime Roy Jones too IMO.

Me too, but i'm sticking with the facts not opinions.

[Ryn0]

Fair you were too dude, but did Calzaghe do everything he needed to unify the division, B-Hop has never ducked anyone, Joe has period.

In all fairness, I don't think Joe ducked anyone. Neither did Hopkins/Jones, but even now it always up to the fighter with the better position to make a fight, Jones/Hopkins could pick and choose who they fought. Calzaghe at the time was an unknown european protected champ why should Jones or Hopkins fight him?

That seems like rational thinking, its like If Mayweather fought Berto instead of Mosley/Cotto or Pac next, Calzaghe was seen as a protected champion, Toney and a move to 175 was always more lucrative for Jones etc.

[S A M U R A I]

Becuase at the time Calzaghe shouldve been fighting the best (who were in the U.S) he stayed in Europe fighting Eurobums to pad his record out.

Who should he have been fighting?



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[Kiid Dynamite]

The money, history is in the US

[Kris Silver]

I understand the whole culture, fans, language thing, but do you think that just because Dawson is in America, it's a hometown fight? He doesn't have to deal with the elements that Calzaghe does in going to other nations? Maybe he doesn't to the extent of fans spitting in your face and such, but him fighting Glen Johnson in Florida is about the same as Calzaghe fighting in another country. That's why in America we can have a lot of hometown decisions for two AMERICAN fighters.

Was Paulie Malignaggi in the comforts of home when he fought Juan Diaz in America? No, he was booed, treated unfairly, and IMO was robbed of a decision win.

Oh and on a lighter note, I wouldn't mind fans swearing at me in another language, at least you can't understand them. That's less threatening than knowing what they're saying.

I don't really think you've got my point there.

I was purposefully not quoting your lines on Dawson so much, I don't know what your using him so much here. I'm not up on him fighting at home or whatever. Johnson is not an American, and Dawson is, as far as I'm concerned. And this fight is at least closer to his home with his country, than the last. Does any of that favour Johnson?

Not the greatest example in my mind. The point I was trying to make that you using distances travelled for how much you should maybe respect a boxer, is a slightly flawed way of looking at things. You can cross one border and have everything different, against you, totally aforeign. You can cross 20 borders and it be way more similar, supportive, favourable, even akin to home. It's not so black and white as distances.

[Oasis_Lad]

The difference between two European countries and two American States is exponential.