Bert Sugar ''Roy Is 88th On My 100th Greatest Fighters List''

[ßringer]

And, He cheated in the first Arguello fight.

True Story.

Agreed.

Not to mention Arguello was already on his last legs, even pre-Pryor.

Pryor beat the ghost of Arguello, and still had to cheat to do it.

He doesn't belong on any top 100 list.

[THE REED]

Berts list includes fighters over the whole history of boxing. Not just fighters from the 90's and 00's. Most of the fighters he has on his list non of us have ever seen fight. These guys are rated on they're over all skill, heart, smarts, etc. Jones is definetly one of the most talented to ever lace up but he's not the toughest guy. How would he fair up with guys just as fast or better reflexes than him? People need to think about this.

I agree with most of your post.... but please tell me who was faster and who had better reflexes than Roy?

I mean... there maybe 3 or 4... but surely not many beyond that... IF any.

[True Guru]

Roy shouldnt be in the top 100,He had the talent to be one of the best yet sadly wasted his whole career fighting 100-1 shot garbage collectors and off duty cops.
A green Hopkins and James 'I had to lose 48lbs in 6 weeks' Toney make a absolutely terrible resume for a guy as talented as he was.
If Bert was talking about the greatest handpickers then Roy certainly would be #1

[JAB5239]

The mans got Charlie burley in the 50's or so and he didnt even win a title

You're right, Burley ought to be top 15 or 20. What does not winning a title have to do with anything?

[ßringer]

You're right, Burley ought to be top 15 or 20. What does not winning a title have to do with anything?

Burley wuz neva considered "pound for pound" 'da bestest eva!! :Rofl:

[Sergio Martinez]

I agree with most of your post.... but please tell me who was faster and who had better reflexes than Roy?

I mean... there maybe 3 or 4... but surely not many beyond that... IF any.

It's probaly all comes down to opinion. Some people think probaly the likes of Joe Gans, Jack Johnson, Willie Pep, Pernell Whitaker all had better reflexes tha Roy!

[Sergio Martinez]

Roy shouldnt be in the top 100,He had the talent to be one of the best yet sadly wasted his whole career fighting 100-1 shot garbage collectors and off duty cops.
A green Hopkins and James 'I had to lose 48lbs in 6 weeks' Toney make a absolutely terrible resume for a guy as talented as he was.
If Bert was talking about the greatest handpickers then Roy certainly would be #1

[Bhopreign]

Wow, I think this is far to low. So he thinks Roy isnt even a top 50? WTF.

Bert's ratings are crap. But yet he has Jack Dempsey at Number #9 of all time.

Basically, Floyd isnt much different than Roy and people dont want to give Floyd his just due. Perhaps Bert looked at it from an opponent perspective, Roy has really a couple wins that stand out. Toney(whom many say was weight drained), Hopkins(many say he was green), Ruiz(many say he was the worst heavy at the time), and Tarver(who also beat Roy twice). The talent was evident, but if you looked at it on opponents beaten, whom many say that that's what really matters, then his resume may be lacking, depends on what Sugar was going by to make his decision. He may have made this list before the Ruiz win also.

[True Guru]

Whats the faces for?
I see people all the time saying how great Roy was,How fast he was,How great his reflexes were...Its easy looking good against postmen like thornton,Or the Richard Fraziers and Brannons of this world but they are all ultra bums.
Do you dispute that his resume leaves a hell of a lot to be desired?

[Stoppage]

Don't take his list seriously.