Bert Sugar ''Roy Is 88th On My 100th Greatest Fighters List''

[JAB5239]

how many fights robinson lost after 39? aaaaaaa lot

You asked who had success after age 39. Now you're trying to change the parameters. Funny. Can't change the fact Robinson was still beating top fighters.

bull**** talking 1 by you
Who did Foreman beat after 39?
how good was foreman at 39? a punching bag, that beat some tune ups, and ko'ed michael moorer the light heavyweight with a bad chin at heavy with a lucky shot

Again, go back to the original question you asked. I'd say winning the heavyweight championship at 43 would qualify as successful no matter how much you would like to twist it.

bull**** talking 2 by you
sam langford, born in 1883, shall i go on? 90% of people back then, couldn't box ****.
lost aaaaa lot in his later career

90%, really? And you have proof to back this up right? Because if you don't Im gonna tear this argument up. Hell, if you do I guarantee I tear that sorry ass argument up to.

bull**** talking 3 by you
hopkins....was successful, too bad Roy beat him
leaves 1,

Success at 39 and up was the question son. I've listed the names and no matter hat you try and say, you can't change these facts.

just one, thats archie moore
you got 1 successful pick 1!one congratulations

Lol, I just turned you out like a $5 ho. Try again kid.

[JAB5239]

How Griffin did in his fight with Roy Jones?
Watch the fight. Griffin won his rounds mostly early on.
Roy took over, than knocked him down
75-76 77-75 76-75, whatever you want
I had Roy winning by one point, till the stoppage and he took over the fight, that was crystal clear.

Saying Roy would've lost that fight if there weren't no disqualification is just ******.
In the rematch he didn't make up for that, nooooo never....

I never said Roy would have lost had he not been DQ'd. But he was losing on the score cards and the punch stats. These are facts! Suggesting he would have undoubtedly won had the DQ not occurred is an assumption. You do know the difference between fact and assumption, right?

[Rich Lοc]

Agreed.

Not to mention Arguello was already on his last legs, even pre-Pryor.

Pryor beat the ghost of Arguello, and still had to cheat to do it.

He doesn't belong on any top 100 list.

I like Pryor more than Hopkins, but I don't think he ranks about him.

[ßringer]

I like Pryor more than Hopkins, but I don't think he ranks about him.

That's because you're viewing it clearly.

BTW, JAB5239 ; Once you're done body'ing that kid, please, clean up the mess.

There's blood all over this thread now.

[MARKBNLV]

Charley Burley (September 6, 1917 – October 16, 1992) was a boxer of the 1940s, compiling a record of 83 wins (50 by knockout), 12 losses, and 2 draws with 1 "no contest". However, because he was so formidable, Burley was never granted a title shot by any of the welterweight and middleweight champions of that era and was also avoided by many of the top white contenders (Burley's father was black and his mother white). Among the fighters who "ducked" Burley were Hall of Famers Billy Conn (who fought Joe Louis for the heavyweight title), Frenchman Marcel Cerdan (who was supposed to face Burley in his American debut), Jake LaMotta (who had fought the likes of powerpuncher Bob Satterfield, Sugar Ray Robinson, and Holman Williams, who was Burley's greatest rival), and even Sugar Ray Robinson, considered by many boxing historians as the best pound-for-pound fighter of all time.

Of course, not everyone ducked the slick Pittsburgh warrior. Burley won two out of three matches against future welterweight champion Fritzie Zivic, defeated the great Archie Moore by decision, and easily defeated future NYSAC middleweight king Billy Soose. Burley also faced future heavyweight champion Ezzard Charles, but dropped two 10 round decisions to him (the bouts were contested within a five week period, sandwiching a fight against Williams). Another notable Burley fight was the one against heavyweight J.D. Turner, who outweighed him by around 70 lbs. "Turner, face beaten to raw beefsteak in six rounds, failed to answer the bell for the seventh." (The Ring, June 1942). Burley himself was never stopped in 98 bouts.

There exists only one near complete film of Burley in action: his second fight with Oakland Billy Smith in 1946. It shows a conservative counter-puncher taming a much larger opponent with relative ease.

Burley's former sparring partner A.J. "Blackie" Nelson offers this comparison: "I see a lot of Charley in this kid, Roy Jones Junior. Both had unorthodox styles, could hit you from any angle, both hard to hit. Charley jabbed more than Jones, if Jones would concentrate on boxing as Charley did, he would become an all-time great."

Eddie Futch, the great trainer, called Burley "the finest all-around fighter I ever saw."

Burley was named to the Ring Magazine's list of 100 greatest punchers of all time, elected to the Boxing Hall of Fame in 1983 and the International Boxing Hall of Fame in 1992.

Burley was ranked 39th on Ring Magazine's list of the 80 Best Fighters of the Last 80 Years.

An exhibit at The Western Pennsylvania Sports Museum at the Pittsburgh History Center states that Burley was the model for the character Troy in August Wilson's play Fences.

[BOXING 24/7]

Id put Roy top 5 all time.

[illmatickid]

Ridiculous.. but hes just one man

whatever

[Heru]

RJ is overrated by most, so good to see him underrated by a respected boxing historian.

If it was resume based, RJ wouldn't be top 50.

[tocayito1]

Lol, I just turned you out like a $5 ho. Try again kid.

not to be nitpicky but foreman won the belt at 45 and keep going you are just ass raping this guy

[Rich Lοc]

That's because you're viewing it clearly.

That said, JMM is clearly overrated.