Comments Thread For: Xander Zayas fights Jaron Ennis in Brooklyn on June 27

[boxingitis]

No offense bro but your wrong about Zayas, Zayas signed to fight Ortiz before and Ortiz decided to fight Madrimov who was coming off a loss and had known lung issues at the time of the fight, thats why he dropped out of a fight with Bohachuk and he still has lung issues which were evident in his last fight where he was gasping for air and almost lost a tune up fight.

Zayas even after he got a belt sent a contract to fight Ortiz in PR and Ortiz again refused saying he didnt want to fight in PR and came up with the excuse that PR fights dont sell.

Zayas also wanted to fight Fundora but Fundora and his team wanted a rehydration clause for WHATEVER reason then he vacated the WBO title for WHATEVER reason and went on to fight Tim Tszyu.

To me Zayas is 23 and is trying to make fights even this fight with Boots he pushed for it. Ortiz could have had a Zayas fight a long time ago but hasnt wanted it or took on other fights and those are just facts.

All these other guys are 28 years old and havent acomplished much in comparison age wise. FYI By no means am i saying Zayas is better then them at this point.....

Ortiz should have been a champ by now and Boots said he was going to "clean out" 147lb and then left. he had a chance to fight Crawford and didnt take it as well and thats on record.

Ortiz says he want to fight but then never takes the fights? Ortiz was scheduled to fight Stanionis 2 times and nothing ( i get it he gets a pass because of his sickness) then he goes and messes up 3 more times 2 fights with Zayas and now this Boots fight that he and his team messed up. I mean come on guys at some point people are going to have to open up there eyes and see that Ortiz and his team are a problem for themselves or maybe they dont want to fight??? Thats just too many misses on the Ortiz team to be a legit coincidence.

Who is rank or consider a better fighter Zayas or Ortiz. People wanted Ortiz vs Ennis with NO belts on the line
Ortiz vs Ennis is more intriguing than Zayas vs Ennis that has 2 belts on the line.

Madrimov and Bahachcuk are better names than anyone Zander has beaten. Plus he will get schooled by Ennis. Those 2 names are also better than anything on Boots Resume. I think Vergil wants to get payed for one of the biggest fights in America. He thinks he is worth x and GB thinks he is worst x. Every employee thinks they are worth more.

[ShoulderRoll]

What about the low hanging fruit Josh Kelly, who’s going to take his belt?

[cruz1383]

Who is rank or consider a better fighter Zayas or Ortiz. People wanted Ortiz vs Ennis with NO belts on the line
Ortiz vs Ennis is more intriguing than Zayas vs Ennis that has 2 belts on the line.

Madrimov and Bahachcuk are better names than anyone Zander has beaten. Plus he will get schooled by Ennis. Those 2 names are also better than anything on Boots Resume. I think Vergil wants to get payed for one of the biggest fights in America. He thinks he is worth x and GB thinks he is worst x. Every employee thinks they are worth more.

Again you can say all this Ortiz fought the better this better that but like I said Zayas signs the contracts and Ortiz ??? just doesnt. like I said Madrimov had and has lung issues and Ortiz, goldenboy and the rest of the boxing world knew that, it wasnt hidden so its hard to give him credit for that win in my eyes. Bahachuck was a cool fighter and a good win I'm in agreeance with you on that fight, but again Zayas signs the contract, Ortiz what is he doing ?

Ortiz own team started the battle with his promoter it wasnt Zayas, Boots or Goldenboy/De La Hoya. Ortiz is the one who said no to Zayas 2 times on some bull excuses about he doesnt have a belt the first time and when he got a belt and gave him a second shot he came up with another bull excuse talking about PR dont sell out fights. Then he wanted a guarantee that was only possible with Turki Alalshikh money and priced himself out for the Boots fight, then he wanted to get out of his contract in the worse possible way.... who's fault is that ??

Again there have been 3 fights that Ortiz screwed up by himself or with the help of his team im not going to count the other 2 screw up becuase those were health problems at 147.I think Ortiz and his team are worse than any enemy could ever be at this point to themselves. Talk about shooting your own foot and then crying about it like he's the victum of Goldenboy/De La Hoya.

I think at this point in time Ortiz could be more talented than Zayas definitely more experienced and hell he should be with a 5 year age gap and peaking in his prime.

If Ortiz was smart he should had taken the Zayas fight in PR took that belt if he could and then took the other belt from Abass Baraou if he could and then went into the Boots fight but instead we looking at a Mickey Garcia 2.0 scenario??? can anyone make that make sense.

At the end of the day it took Zayas what 2-4hrs to sign the contract while Ortiz had the contract for how long??? over a month or 2 crying and complaining and never signed???

[boxingitis]

Again you can say all this Ortiz fought the better this better that but like I said Zayas signs the contracts and Ortiz ??? just doesnt. like I said Madrimov had and has lung issues and Ortiz, goldenboy and the rest of the boxing world knew that, it wasnt hidden so its hard to give him credit for that win in my eyes. Bahachuck was a cool fighter and a good win I'm in agreeance with you on that fight, but again Zayas signs the contract, Ortiz what is he doing ?

Ortiz own team started the battle with his promoter it wasnt Zayas, Boots or Goldenboy/De La Hoya. Ortiz is the one who said no to Zayas 2 times on some bull excuses about he doesnt have a belt the first time and when he got a belt and gave him a second shot he came up with another bull excuse talking about PR dont sell out fights. Then he wanted a guarantee that was only possible with Turki Alalshikh money and priced himself out for the Boots fight, then he wanted to get out of his contract in the worse possible way.... who's fault is that ??

Again there have been 3 fights that Ortiz screwed up by himself or with the help of his team im not going to count the other 2 screw up becuase those were health problems at 147.I think Ortiz and his team are worse than any enemy could ever be at this point to themselves. Talk about shooting your own foot and then crying about it like he's the victum of Goldenboy/De La Hoya.

I think at this point in time Ortiz could be more talented than Zayas definitely more experienced and hell he should be with a 5 year age gap and peaking in his prime.

If Ortiz was smart he should had taken the Zayas fight in PR took that belt if he could and then took the other belt from Abass Baraou if he could and then went into the Boots fight but instead we looking at a Mickey Garcia 2.0 scenario??? can anyone make that make sense.

At the end of the day it took Zayas what 2-4hrs to sign the contract while Ortiz had the contract for how long??? over a month or 2 crying and complaining and never signed???

DAZN made Top Rank make the fight, it was part of the deal. Why didn't Zayas offer Ennis to fight in Puerto Rico? We know he is not in control and that was a way of ducking. PR does not sell more than Vegas.

[cruz1383]

DAZN made Top Rank make the fight, it was part of the deal. Why didn't Zayas offer Ennis to fight in Puerto Rico? We know he is not in control and that was a way of ducking. PR does not sell more than Vegas.

Thats a simple answer that you could have easily looked up, Boots last fight was on october 11 and the fight with Abass was signed on November the 12th for a Jan 31 date Boots after his fight and after Ortiz said no to Zander started preliminary talks with Ortiz and he was not available which actually make it worse for Ortiz knowing that he had since late Octorber to make a fight with boots and couldnt because of Diva garbage.

Back to Zayas, Ortiz came up with the excuse that PR dont sell and wanted the fight in Vagas. Zayas said he wanted to have a home town title defense before and had the venue picked out. We all know Vagas sells more than PR thats a given. But why didnt Ortiz just go and take the belt from him in PR anyway why let that fight slip?? like I said you or anyone can talk about Zayas hasnt done this or that but he has signed the contracts and Ortiz hasnt shown that. I know you dont want to see it that way but thats just truth.

When Crawford was told if he wanted a title shot he had to go to Scottland what did he do ?? he didnt just let the fight slip he said ok i call your bluff and I'll go to Scottland to take it from Ricky Burns.

[ELPacman]

Not going to lie, that was a boss move from Xander to pick up the fumble from Ortiz. Nobody going to be talking about Ortiz for a bit and even be forgotten that he was supposed to face Boots. That and the fact that Oscar can pretty much do whatever the f**k he wants with Ortiz now for trying to go against him. He can literally stale out his career and just let time pass. Nobody going to remember Ortiz. Not until he gets back into a fight and he really needs a big name or stay relevant.

This fight overall I don't care because it might have decision written all over it, at least if you have Xanders winning it. Maybe Boots stops him? Though Xander moves enough to probably avoid getting stopped.

At least both guys are putting their hype on the line. Whoever loses we can probably forget about for awhile.

[boxingitis]

Thats a simple answer that you could have easily looked up, Boots last fight was on october 11 and the fight with Abass was signed on November the 12th for a Jan 31 date Boots after his fight and after Ortiz said no to Zander started preliminary talks with Ortiz and he was not available which actually make it worse for Ortiz knowing that he had since late Octorber to make a fight with boots and couldnt because of Diva garbage.

Back to Zayas, Ortiz came up with the excuse that PR dont sell and wanted the fight in Vagas. Zayas said he wanted to have a home town title defense before and had the venue picked out. We all know Vagas sells more than PR thats a given. But why didnt Ortiz just go and take the belt from him in PR anyway why let that fight slip?? like I said you or anyone can talk about Zayas hasnt done this or that but he has signed the contracts and Ortiz hasnt shown that. I know you dont want to see it that way but thats just truth.

When Crawford was told if he wanted a title shot he had to go to Scottland what did he do ?? he didnt just let the fight slip he said ok i call your bluff and I'll go to Scottland to take it from Ricky Burns.

Lima took the fights vs Ennis, does that mean Lima is better than Ortiz. I'm pretty sure if you "felt" underpay you would not take thh fight. ORTIZ had ALREADY agree to fights Boots in Saudi, if they are offering less than before then that's idiotic for anyone to take.


Why didn't Haney take the Rolly fight? Money.

[Theshotyoudontsee]

I have a feeling Xander exposes Boots a bit. I think Boots will likely win a UD but it will be closer than most people think. Xander is smart in the ring and while not a pure power puncher he is a strong kid who moves well and knows how to fight.

He isn't great by any means but his style will give Boots issues and unless Ennis lands a big one early, Xander will give him a real fight.

[cruz1383]

Lima took the fights vs Ennis, does that mean Lima is better than Ortiz. I'm pretty sure if you "felt" underpay you would not take thh fight. ORTIZ had ALREADY agree to fights Boots in Saudi, if they are offering less than before then that's idiotic for anyone to take.


Why didn't Haney take the Rolly fight? Money.

I get what your saying about fighting in saudi and Turki and all but at the end of the day his promoter is Golden Boy and not Turki (turki is a bonus). The fact is like i said earlier Ortiz and his team self inflicted a Mickey Garcia 2.0 on themselves by trying to nigotiate a fight without there promoter.

As far as Lima is concered obviously he's not better than Ortiz because he took the fight, it was also obvious that Lima came in taking a chance fighting the better fighter and was a tune up fight from the get go and Lima understood it to be so plus it was a good payday for him. You can't compare the 2 scenarios. Ortiz has no chips to play other than having a name which at the end of the day is his own fault.

As for the underpaid part look at Crawford and a fight i brought up before, he was with Top Rank and took a fight against Ricky Burns and he was the underdog in that fight he also didnt get millions on that fight even though he had a name as a prospect. Ortiz seems to be seriously unwilling to do that, no one can say he didnt have a chance to do it thats for sure.

Ortiz turned down Zayas 2 times those are facts.
Ortiz, his team or promoter turned down Boots 2 times ( 3 times if you remember the 147 days where Ortiz said he couldnt make 147 anymore and had to leave for 154 and never signed a contract that was sent to him) those are facts.

[jas]

Bad matchmaking for xander

boots is a generational talent and xander is gonna lose to him