Comments Thread For: Deontay Wilder?s prime ? when exactly was it?

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Elliot Worsell examines the claim that Deontay Wilder, 40, has just entered his fighting prime
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[Elastic Recoilz]

Probably Stiverne 1. He was actually boxing quite well off the back foot in that fight

[BoxOfficer]

The man had no prime and has always been a fraud; fake/scripted fights here and there. When for once he left the comfort zone of the PBC and took serious fights outside the control of his crafty handlers, he got exposed for who he is.

Now all we hear is "he is past it", " he is shot", "he can't let his hands go anymore". Everyone seem to forget when he let it all out and became aggressive against Zhang seconds before he got knocked out. I guess he didn't let his hand go in that instance too?

So he wasn't shot when he KO'd (Palm Out) Hellinuis in what was clearly scripted?

Men like Zhang and Parker were always the favourites, regardless when they fought Wilder, regardless what the odd makers think. But of course, who needs such a viewpoint when excuses can always be made and easily lapped up.

[Toffee]

He was always what he was. No better, no worse.

But the Breazeale version was the most confident he ever was, and the version of Wilder with the most clarity on his boxing strategy. Stand back, use the left hand to keep distance, don't engage, land a bomb. Maximising his one elite attribute and minimising every other below average attribute.

Prior to Ortiz he tried to box. Afterwards he tried to box a bit against Fury. That was never the play for a guy who couldn't box to any great level.

I don't know how far the right hand alone could have taken him, but it couldn't have been worse than actually trying to fight.

[VislorTurlough]

Hate for wilder here is weird. It’s not like he has an army of vocal fanboys overrating him. One dimensional but top 5 AT HW KO power.

[DeeMoney]

The man had no prime and has always been a fraud; fake/scripted fights here and there. When for once he left the comfort zone of the PBC and took serious fights outside the control of his crafty handlers, he got exposed for who he is.

Now all we hear is "he is past it", " he is shot", "he can't let his hands go anymore". Everyone seem to forget when he let it all out and became aggressive against Zhang seconds before he got knocked out. I guess he didn't let his hand go in that instance too?

So he wasn't shot when he KO'd (Palm Out) Hellinuis in what was clearly scripted.

Men like Zhang and Parker were always the favourites, regardless when they fought Wilder, regardless what the odd makers think. But of course, who needs such a viewpoint when excuses can always be made and easily lapped up.

C'mon, to argue that he has no prime is silly and clearly disingenuous. You may not think he was much of a fighter, but prime isn't relative to others, its relative to yourself, and everyone gets physically older and weaker- so unless you are arguing he is some sort of genetic super human who does not age then you are just hating.

You don't have to like him, but at least be honest and realistic in the discussion.

[DeeMoney]

Stiverne I was the only time he tried to box, but its because of that, that I don't know if I would refer to it as his prime, as he was such a different fighter from then on. So I'll just pick the next fight (Molina) through the Fury trilogy.

After which he was clearly slower, and far more gun shy, which is saying a lot because he never was really aggressive (until his opponent was hurt).

[Caganer]

Usually it'd be during the winning streak as champion. I don't understand special deontay wilder judgement rules.

When was Mike Tyson's prime? Oh gee, I wonder

[daggum]

Hate for wilder here is weird. It’s not like he has an army of vocal fanboys overrating him. One dimensional but top 5 AT HW KO power.

he has a 25% ko percentage against top 10(ring) ranked opponents. thats not top 5. he fought so many crappy opponents that people started to believe the hype. normally he would be tucked away on undercards but they had a plan to market him and they executed it before getting exposed

[Nash out]

This is Nash out from the BoxingScene Hall of Fame, aka, Dr. Boxing, giving his viewpoint. Disregard the Wilder Clone losing to Parker and Zhang, the real Wilder needed a break to reprime and now he is back. It worked brilliantly as it convinced Usyk that Wilder would be an easy night's work, but a reprimed Wilder beats Usyk by KO, then retires with nothing left to prove, going down as the greatest of all time. Nash out - His Majesty