Canelo is not an all time great fighter

[IronDanHamza]

oh so Manny beat prime Thurman

You said that he can't be passed his prime because he was undefeated.

Now you're saying an undefeated Golovkin was past his prime.

Which one is it?

[DeeMoney]

This discussion, and many like it, have gone round and round without anyone establishing parameters; most importantly- WHERE IS THE DEMARCATION LINE FOR ATG?

Some people can rank Canelo exactly the same, yet one has that ranking as being ATG while the other doesnt. They can bicker back and forth without realizing they are feeling the same way about a fighter.

Does ATG have to fall within a certain number on your all time P4P list? Does it have to be within a certain rank within a weight class? Do you get it by being within a certain rank in a given era (which is odd because defining eras ends up being arbitrary ayhow)?

Define ATG, and then the discussion moves a lot more smoothly.

[IronDanHamza]

This discussion, and many like it, have gone round and round without anyone establishing parameters; most importantly- WHERE IS THE DEMARCATION LINE FOR ATG?

Some people can rank Canelo exactly the same, yet one has that ranking as being ATG while the other doesnt. They can bicker back and forth without realizing they are feeling the same way about a fighter.

Does ATG have to fall within a certain number on your all time P4P list? Does it have to be within a certain rank within a weight class? Do you get it by being within a certain rank in a given era (which is odd because defining eras ends up being arbitrary ayhow)?

Define ATG, and then the discussion moves a lot more smoothly.

The thread starter genuinely couldn't define the word define.

[djtmal]

He beat Golovkin in his prime,

A lot of people felt he lost

Including Atlas

[djtmal]

The thread starter genuinely couldn't define the word define.

You couldn't prove Manny was on peds so it evens out

[djtmal]

You said that

You swore Thurman wasn't in his prime vs Manny just a day or two ago now you flip flopping

[djtmal]

This discussion, and many like it, have gone round and round without anyone establishing parameters; most importantly- WHERE IS THE DEMARCATION LINE FOR ATG?

Some people can rank Canelo exactly the same, yet one has that ranking as being ATG while the other doesnt. They can bicker back and forth without realizing they are feeling the same way about a fighter.

Does ATG have to fall within a certain number on your all time P4P list? Does it have to be within a certain rank within a weight class? Do you get it by being within a certain rank in a given era (which is odd because defining eras ends up being arbitrary ayhow)?

Define ATG, and then the discussion moves a lot more smoothly.

These true all time greats have one thing in common

They beat the best guys at their best in their prime

Canelo has holes

[IronDanHamza]

A lot of people felt he lost

Including Atlas

So anything Atlas says is the truth then.

Like Pacquaio ducking Floyd.

Thanks for admitting that.

[IronDanHamza]

You couldn't prove Manny was on peds so it evens out

Show me where I said that.

[IronDanHamza]

You swore Thurman wasn't in his prime vs Manny just a day or two ago now you flip flopping

No you said anyone who's undefeated is in their prime, not me. You said that.

Now you're flip flopping and saying Golovkin was passed his prime even though you said anyone who is undefeated is in their prime.