Comments Thread For: Terence Crawford ticketed, held at gunpoint by Omaha police hours after his parade

[The Big Dunn]

Exactly. This is so obvious it should go without saying.

The only way the police officer is in the wrong here is if he was lying about Crawford driving recklessly.

no. The officer is wrong because Nebraska is an open carry state. The gun on the floor is perfectly legal.

[ShoulderRoll]

Agreed if he was driving erratically. The video will tell us.

Sorry dude but the gun is a non issue in an open carry state. The gun is not what caused the reaction.

My guess is you, nor many cops, would do this if the 4 men in the car were wearing Trump gear. It’s the fake fear thing that too often gets justified.

You’re flat out wrong. It’s an open carry state. You do t have to find out what is going on. The laws don’t require this.

It’s racist to do it if you use the color of the car occupants as the reason for your actions.

Nebraska doesn’t require a permit to carry. In some counties you need a permit to purchase.

Your argument just keeps falling short given the laws in Nebraska. At some point you need to admit the gun isn’t the issue here.

If a car is driving erratically in the middle of the night the driver could be inebriated or fleeing from a crime scene. As a police officer you have to find out. The presence of the gun absolutely matters in either situation, the cop shouldn’t risk getting blasted by an inebriated individual or by a potential criminal.

This is so clear cut and obvious that I shouldn’t even be having to explain it to you. You’re just so stuck on race all the time that it makes you dumb or you are just being deliberately disingenuous.

[The Big Dunn]

If a car is driving erratically in the middle of the night the driver could be inebriated or fleeing from a crime scene. As a police officer you have to find out. The presence of the gun absolutely matters in either situation, the cop shouldn’t risk getting blasted by an inebriated individual or by a potential criminal.

This is so clear cut and obvious that I shouldn’t even be having to explain it to you. You’re just so stuck on race all the time that it makes you dumb or you are just being deliberately disingenuous.

Stop with the ridiculous speculation. Driving erratically doesn’t require officers to pull out their guns and handcuff all the people in the car.

The gun on the floor doesn’t require it either in an open carry state. As I said before, if this is NJ, ok.

As I said, if he was driving erratically, by all means a stop is warranted. But handcuffing?

why argue a theoretical point when you know there was no citation for alcohol or drugs while driving.

Sorry shoulder but the Nebraska legislature made the laws knowing this. The cops have to abide by them.

You’re not explaining anything. Your arguing theory because all the information we have available makes the decision to handcuff them all look very bad.

You will not discuss the facts that we know or the laws in Nebraska because that makes your defense of the cops make you look bad.

What is clear and obvious is why you are ok with the handcuffing. You just will not say it plainly.

[ShoulderRoll]

Stop with the ridiculous speculation. Driving erratically doesn’t require officers to pull out their guns and handcuff all the people in the car.

The gun on the floor doesn’t require it either in an open carry state. As I said before, if this is NJ, ok.

As I said, if he was driving erratically, by all means a stop is warranted. But handcuffing?

why argue a theoretical point when you know there was no citation for alcohol or drugs while driving.

Sorry shoulder but the Nebraska legislature made the laws knowing this. The cops have to abide by them.

You’re not explaining anything. Your arguing theory because all the information we have available makes the decision to handcuff them all look very bad.

You will not discuss the facts that we know or the laws in Nebraska because that makes your defense of the cops make you look bad.

What is clear and obvious is why you are ok with the handcuffing. You just will not say it plainly.

There’s no citation for alcohol or drugs while driving because the police officer didn’t think Crawford was impaired. But of course he wouldn’t know that until AFTER he stopped them and had everyone get out of the car and secured the scene to find out what the hell was going on.

[The Big Dunn]

There’s no citation for alcohol or drugs while driving because the police officer didn’t think Crawford was impaired. But of course he wouldn’t know that until AFTER he stopped them and had everyone get out of the car and secured the scene to find out what the hell was going on.

Ok so why are you mentioning that as part of the discussion?

Again, if he was driving erratically, no problem with the stop.

Driving erratically doesn’t require everyone to get out of the car and be handcuffed.

The scene was secure- the video from the passenger shows they told the officer they had guns as required by law in Nebraska.

The gun isn’t illegal in any way. So there is no probable cause for the handcuffing.

[ShoulderRoll]

Ok so why are you mentioning that as part of the discussion?

Again, if he was driving erratically, no problem with the stop.

Driving erratically doesn’t require everyone to get out of the car and be handcuffed.

The scene was secure- the video from the passenger shows they told the officer they had guns as required by law in Nebraska.

If someone is driving recklessly it’s possible they could be impaired or coming from a crime scene, right? Isn’t that reasonable to say? And there’s a firearm in the vehicle once you stop them. Are you as a police officer going to risk getting shot by an impaired person and/or a criminal? Or are you going to secure the scene first?

This is so common sense that I shouldn’t need to have to break it down for you.

[The Big Dunn]

If someone is driving recklessly it’s possible they could be impaired or coming from a crime scene, right? Isn’t that reasonable to say? And there’s a firearm in the vehicle once you stop them. Are you as a police officer going to risk getting shot by a an impaired person and/or a criminal? Or are you going to secure the scene first?

This is so common sense that I shouldn’t need to have to break it down for you.

That is wild speculation. That isn’t reasonable. Why? Because if they were coming from a crime it would have gone out over the police radio a crime was committed.

Then they’d be on the lookout for the car. That didn’t happen here.

In Nebraska the firearm being present has no bearing because it’s an open carry state. Already showed you the scene was secure. Your argument holds no water.

Your real problem is the Nebraska legislature. They went to open carry in Sept 2023. They put cops in danger in doing so. Of course you’ve shifted so far right you have to stick with theory and not talk about that.

Open carry laws are what puts these cops in a tough position. Take race out of it. I will argue from a maga standpoint.

Any mentally ill, purple haired, lib tr@nnnneeee Nebraska citizen that wants to shoot cops can do it easier because of the open carry laws.

If cops come across a stop with a person with a gun, like this one, they can’t assume anything other than this is a legal carrier.

The law requires they tell the cops they are armed. So basically a purple haired wanna be cop killer is only required to tell the cops they have a gun and that has satisfied the law.

Maybe the open carry laws are just f-cking dumb and dangerous.

[ShoulderRoll]

That is wild speculation. That isn’t reasonable.

In Nebraska the firearm being present has no bearing because it’s an open carry state. Already showed you the scene was secure. Your argument holds no water.

Your real problem is the Nebraska legislature. They went to open carry in Sept 2023. They put cops in danger in doing so. Of course you’ve shifted so far right you have to stick with theory and not talk about that.

Open carry laws are what puts these cops in a tough position. Take race out of it. I will argue from a maga standpoint.

Any mentally ill, purple haired, lib ****** Nebraska citizen that wants to shoot cops can do it easier because of the open carry laws.

If cops come across a stop with a person with a gun, like this one, they can’t assume anything other than this is a legal carrier.

The law requires they tell the cops they are armed. So basically a purple haired wanna be cop killer is only required to tell the cops they have a gun and that has satisfied the law.

Maybe the open carry laws are just f-cking dumb and dangerous.

It’s not wild speculation at all, IF it’s true that Crawford was driving recklessly in the middle of the night. Then the police officer was justified in securing the scene after the traffic stop to find out what was going on.

[ShoulderRoll]

And I’m all for open carry.

Conscientious gun owners know very well that this is a freedom that comes along with plenty of responsibility. You don’t go acting a fool while open carrying.

[The Big Dunn]

Shoulder Roll

You can’t give the cops power that the legislature stripped from them.

You make solid theoretical points. But this is a specific discussion about a specific incident.

Like it or not, the cops actions here with the gun pulling and handcuffing went too far, which is why the chief is investigating the stop.

Open carry laws put cops in terrible positions. It makes their jobs more dangerous. it makes them more vulnerable.