Comments Thread For: Sam Goodman refuses to place Naoya Inoue above Nick Ball

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48 fan scorecards on BoxRec for Leo vs Kameda had it 115.09-113.39 in favor of Leo
11 fan scorecards for BoxRec Leo vs Alameda had it 96-94 Leo, while BoxRec's professional judges cards had it 97-93 Leo

And it doesn't matter how close the win was, he won the fights. Kameda was a TBRB ranked opponent and a former world titlist fighting in his hometown on a card promoted by his brother, trying to set him up for an Inoue megafight, and Leo got the win.

Losing to Fulton at 122 has absolutely zero to do with the 126 rankings. Zero.

Leo has easily had the best run at 126. Espinoza was fighting dudes with upside down records as recently as 2022 and his only good opponent at all was Ramirez twice.

Leo vs Espinoza would be the biggest fight in the division for sure right now, but it's silly to pretend Espinoza's resume at 126 even comes close to stacking up to Leo's.

what is a boxrec professional judge? i honestly dont know.

[famicommander]

what is a boxrec professional judge? i honestly dont know.

It's just someone with a BoxRec account who provides official verification to BoxRec that they have worked as a boxing judge under a recognized commission. Once you do that, any fan scorecards you submit are counted separately from random people with accounts like you and I.

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It's just someone with a BoxRec account who provides official verification to BoxRec that they have worked as a boxing judge under a recognized commission. Once you do that, any fan scorecards you submit are counted separately from rando with accounts like you and I.

oh so its someone like cj ross logging on to her boxrec account and posting her scorecards. i dont find that very credible. official judges are usually utter crap or just know implicitly who to score for.

[CPNUTKnockoutFreshMart]

Leo is the best fighter in that division by a lot. Espinoza hasn't beaten anybody and Ball got a gift against Ford.

I give him a lot of credit for beating Robiesy twice. Besides the eye test and the size advantage that he has over everyone. He's one of those long skinny freaks like Fundora that can hit you from the neutral corner to your stool lol. I know that it's just a natural advantage, but that **** is borderline cheating.

[famicommander]

I give him a lot of credit for beating Robiesy twice. Besides the eye test and the size advantage that he has over everyone. He's one of those long skinny freaks like Fundora that can hit you from the neutral corner to your stool lol. I know that it's just a natural advantage, but that **** is borderline cheating.

Robiesy's only good win as a pro was Isaac Dogboe (who had already lost twice to Navarrete). Other than that he just has a bunch of no-hopers, two losses to Espinoza, and a loss to a nobody in his pro debut.

Lopez and Kameda are immeasurably better wins than two wins over Ramirez.

[famicommander]

oh so its someone like cj ross logging on to her boxrec account and posting her scorecards. i dont find that very credible. official judges are usually utter crap or just know implicitly who to score for.

No single piece of evidence should be used in a vacuum. But when the official scorecards, the fan scorecards, and the BoxRec pro cards all agree on a winner it's pretty silly to call it a robbery in the other direction. That's all I'm saying. Leo won those fights clean.

[CPNUTKnockoutFreshMart]

Robiesy's only good win as a pro was Isaac Dogboe (who had already lost twice to Navarrete). Other than that he just has a bunch of no-hopers, two losses to Espinoza, and a loss to a nobody in his pro debut.

Lopez and Kameda are immeasurably better wins than two wins over Ramirez.

The only way to settle this is to get them to fight. You call Angelo and I'll get Espinoza to sign too.

Did you see where Espinoza called Leo a punk ass ***** and a ducker ? Yep , it was on Twitter / X , but it's deleted now.

Ok , that didn't really happen , I'm just stirring **** up so that maybe they'll fight , it's worth a shot.

[LG Motel 22]

I think Goodman can get it done if he has a near perfect performance, he’s a damn good boxer and should be able to frustrate ball for long periods.

[landotter]

I am really interested in this fight. Maybe I am alone.....

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Robiesy's only good win as a pro was Isaac Dogboe (who had already lost twice to Navarrete). Other than that he just has a bunch of no-hopers, two losses to Espinoza, and a loss to a nobody in his pro debut.

Lopez and Kameda are immeasurably better wins than two wins over Ramirez.

lopez yes, kameda no. he was at his best at 115, decent at 118. at 126 he had only a couple fights and lost to a random guy in one of them. not a quality or worthwhile win at all.