WHY is FLOYD NOT the greatest boxer of all time?

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at this point this is a safe space. you can say "i got tricked" "oh yeah his resume is pretty mediocre" "wow he used all the dirty tactics in the book" "pillow gloves, how could i defend that?" "devising a ped testing system where he could cheat through tue's and his opponent couldnt? omg i was silly to defend that"

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Lmfao. Manny turned down $40 mil no PPV offer because he wanted more.

You can’t be taken seriously posting he was the bigger draw. Not one metric supports this.

Manny fought Zab Judah? canelo? corrales?

He fought a ton of guys after Floyd did, so how was his blueprint different other than he started at a lower weight?

His style was his style. You come off as clueless suggesting Manny cared about you.

Yes, we know you hate Floyd and why. You should be ashamed of yourself.

i literally made an entire thread on this and i proved pac was a bigger draw in ppv and in live gates when floyd made him that sh-it offer. im sure its still up here. if you look at the numbers pac was doing bigger numbers on average per fight if you compare their last whatever 15 ppvs(the total floyd had so far in his career) the fact that you cant see that was floyds way of getting out of the fight says everything about your rampant fandom. information i guess just doesnt matter to you.

why would pac accept 40 million no ppv for a fight that would make each guy 200 to 300 million? the way you frame things is so telling. in reality it was floyd who changed his own demands and moved the goalposts, for the third time! 14 days is ok...until pac agreed. 0 days is ok...until pac agreed. 50-50 is ok...until pac agreed its so silly to even pretend different it really is. just say yeah floyd avoided the fight but he would have won anyway or something impossible to prove. what you cant do is pretend floyd wanted the fight. the flat offer was floyd literally giving up and saying ya got me i was bluffing the whole time.

which was a common theme in his career so not sure why you havent picked up on that? oh yeah and he literally did the same thing to winky earlier in his career, oh ill fight you winky and for 50-50....just agree to this rehydration clause, oh sh-it winky actually agreed to it! uh uh i want more money now! so you have a guy doing the same thing hes done in the past to avoid fights and you cant see the pattern? floyd wont work with top rank! cept when he works with top rank...floyd wanted 20 million guarantee to fight hoya to fight cotto...oh wait he accepted 10 million when cotto wasnt part of the deal. wow he keeps killing fights by doing things that would kill fights...how come the baldomir fight wasnt killed? puzzling

[TheProudLunatic]

i literally made an entire thread on this and i proved pac was a bigger draw in ppv and in live gates when floyd made him that sh-it offer. im sure its still up here. if you look at the numbers pac was doing bigger numbers on average per fight if you compare their last whatever 15 ppvs(the total floyd had so far in his career) the fact that you cant see that was floyds way of getting out of the fight says everything about your rampant fandom. information i guess just doesnt matter to you.

why would pac accept 40 million no ppv for a fight that would make each guy 200 to 300 million? the way you frame things is so telling. in reality it was floyd who changed his own demands and moved the goalposts, for the third time! 14 days is ok...until pac agreed. 0 days is ok...until pac agreed. 50-50 is ok...until pac agreed its so silly to even pretend different it really is. just say yeah floyd avoided the fight but he would have won anyway or something impossible to prove. what you cant do is pretend floyd wanted the fight. the flat offer was floyd literally giving up and saying ya got me i was bluffing the whole time.

"Rise to P4P Dominance: Pacquiao's ascent to pound-for-pound king status is often associated with his impressive victory over Oscar De La Hoya in 2008, where he delivered a dominant performance that led to De La Hoya's retirement. This fight, along with subsequent impressive victories against top opponents like Ricky Hatton (2009) and Miguel Cotto (2009) solidified his reputation as an elite fighter."

DONE La Hoya
Hatton
May beat them both FIRST
May beat the better version of Cotto

Pac would have fought May way back when had May not demand RANDOM BLOOD tests.
This is why the fight didn't happen.

Would YOU had run away from RANDOM BLOOD test ?!?!

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"Rise to P4P Dominance: Pacquiao's ascent to pound-for-pound king status is often associated with his impressive victory over Oscar De La Hoya in 2008, where he delivered a dominant performance that led to De La Hoya's retirement. This fight, along with subsequent impressive victories against top opponents like Ricky Hatton (2009) and Miguel Cotto (2009) solidified his reputation as an elite fighter."

DONE La Hoya
Hatton
May beat them both FIRST
May beat the better version of Cotto

Pac would have fought May way back when had May not demand RANDOM BLOOD tests.
This is why the fight didn't happen.

Would YOU had run away from RANDOM BLOOD test ?!?!

the strange thing is we now know floyds drug testing program was completely fraudulent and just a way for floyd to cheat by using tue's while preventing his opponent from cheating by denying them any tue's yet you are using this as a positive for floyd? obviously pac or any fighter should have been extremely hesitant to put themselves in such a compromising position but all that being said he still agreed, and floyd still changed his demands.

so how can you say it was the drug testing when floyd himself said that wasnt the issue? remember when floyd said pac had to accept 40 millino no ppv or no fight after pac accepted the testing? so yeah it wasnt the testing like you are trying to pretend. the testing wasnt legit which should matter? but i guess when you like someone a lot it doesnt? anything goes i suppose

[Legends456]

I’ve said it before on here, and I’ll say it again:

I believe Floyd was/is the greatest businessman boxing has ever seen.

I think he is similar to Calzaghe in that I think at least part of his impressive unbeaten record is due to both fighting a combination of mid-level opponents and aging generational greats.

His unbeaten record (as is any unbeaten record) is still an admirable accomplishment in my opinion. But I have serious doubts he would have maintained it had he fought more high-level technicians with knockout power. Most of his opponents were either slow, lumbering punchers in the Mexican style or the David Lemieux variety, that he could either out box, or else they were aged and had taken heavy damage and still managed to give him some scary moments (SSM).

That said, I rate SRR, SRL, Hagler, Ali, Armstrong, Prime Roy, and possibly Hearns and Usyk higher than Floyd. That still leaves him in rarified air though.

[TheProudLunatic]

the strange thing is we now know floyds drug testing program was completely fraudulent and just a way for floyd to cheat by using tue's while preventing his opponent from cheating by denying them any tue's yet you are using this as a positive for floyd? obviously pac or any fighter should have been extremely hesitant to put themselves in such a compromising position but all that being said he still agreed, and floyd still changed his demands.

so how can you say it was the drug testing when floyd himself said that wasnt the issue? remember when floyd said pac had to accept 40 millino no ppv or no fight after pac accepted the testing? so yeah it wasnt the testing like you are trying to pretend. the testing wasnt legit which should matter? but i guess when you like someone a lot it doesnt? anything goes i suppose

Let's trade links
In his own words, Pacquiao on blood testing
https://www.espn.com/blog/dan-rafael...-blood-testing


Your turn
By the way, you kept the not answering that question going !!!!

[Legends456]

Ugh… after reading more comments…. Why does every Floyd post turn into some **** about Floyd and Manny? Floyd had a better career than Manny, plain and simple. Still, Floyd was not TBE. No this is not a race thing for me, as my top 3 or 4 boxers are also black.

[TheProudLunatic]

Ugh… after reading more comments…. Why does every Floyd post turn into some **** about Floyd and Manny? Floyd had a better career than Manny, plain and simple. Still, Floyd was not TBE. No this is not a race thing for me, as my top 3 or 4 boxers are also black.

They are tied at the hip
Controversies from both sides.
You almost have to expect their names to be mentioned in a thread if only one of them is in the title.

Wouldn't be this way had they fought way back when.

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Let's trade links
In his own words, Pacquiao on blood testing
https://www.espn.com/blog/dan-rafael...-blood-testing


Your turn
By the way, you kept the not answering that question going !!!!

pac agreed to floyds fake testing program and floyd still refused to fight. why are you posting irrelevant links from 2009? we know the testing was not the issue. i guess you have to live in the past because reality obviously shatters your world and reveals floyd to be the ducking fraud that he is. you kept screaming take the test take the test...then pac agreed to take the test and floyd ran away. why defend that? like i just dont get that. is it because you have so much invested in floyd that him revealing that he was a lying fraud all along hurts you personally? if thats the case you should probably moderate your fandom a little. dont be so attached to celebs and sports figures so much? you dont want to end up in 2025 posting 2009 articles that were disproven in early 2012.

[TheProudLunatic]

pac agreed to floyds fake testing program and floyd still refused to fight. why are you posting irrelevant links from 2009?

@ "irrelevant" !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Where are your link(s) at
Why are you ducking that question

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