WHY is FLOYD NOT the greatest boxer of all time?

[Bennyleonard99]

Lmfao. Manny turned down $40 mil no PPV offer because he wanted more.

You can’t be taken seriously posting he was the bigger draw. Not one metric supports this.

Manny fought Zab Judah? canelo? corrales?

He fought a ton of guys after Floyd did, so how was his blueprint different other than he started at a lower weight?

His style was his style. You come off as clueless suggesting Manny cared about you.

Yes, we know you hate Floyd and why. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Floyd never impressed me at 147, it was all just a WWF show. Rigged fights, rigged opponents, rigged judges. The establishment needed Floyd to stay fake unbeaten, as they had nothing else to sell. Floyd was a basic boring one two pitter patter artist. Boring scripted personality, boring fights. Boring interviews, never said anything remotely interesting. He was made by Haymon HBO and then Showtime. Good basic fighter. Sugar Ray Leonard said it best once, Floyd Jr and Sr were the same level. He actually said that about a decade ago but can't say it now as it would cause too much trouble. Floyd calls himself a coward and he even brags that being a coward is what made him so rich in boxing. I'm surprised a bright guy like you fell for the whole Floyd fraud show. As you have seen so many true great fighters and how they operate and how they conduct themselves and how they talk. Floyd is just a spoiled brat who still sounds like a teenager. For Floyd to take cheap shots at Ali and Tyson and other true greats shows his jealousy, insecurity and weakness.

[hugh grant]

I'm not deleting anything.

You asked a question as to why people feel a certain way- I answered why they feel that and explained it. I even cited that I don't feel that way. Problem is, you are so skewed in your perspective and defensive in your stance you cant recognize normal conversation and answering of your question. You view it all as a defense of the opposite position.

Reel yourself in my man I am not making that argument, I am answering your question as to what the material difference was.

All you.had to say was people who say Floyd is greater than.Pac because he beat pac whilst being 2 years older are fanboys. You.could be more succinct.

[The Big Dunn]

Floyd never impressed me at 147, it was all just a WWF show. Rigged fights, rigged opponents, rigged judges. The establishment needed Floyd to stay fake unbeaten, as they had nothing else to sell. Floyd was a basic boring one two pitter patter artist. Boring scripted personality, boring fights. Boring interviews, never said anything remotely interesting. He was made by Haymon HBO and then Showtime. Good basic fighter. Sugar Ray Leonard said it best once, Floyd Jr and Sr were the same level. He actually said that about a decade ago but can't say it now as it would cause too much trouble. Floyd calls himself a coward and he even brags that being a coward is what made him so rich in boxing. I'm surprised a bright guy like you fell for the whole Floyd fraud show. As you have seen so many true great fighters and how they operate and how they conduct themselves and how they talk. Floyd is just a spoiled brat who still sounds like a teenager. For Floyd to take cheap shots at Ali and Tyson and other true greats shows his jealousy, insecurity and weakness.

Dude you’re embarrassing yourself with all this.

You hate Floyd for other reasons. Just admit it and move on.

[GhostofDempsey]

Never fought an elite level opponent at their best. He cherry-picked his opponents on the way up or down in their career or when they weren't at their best. Got a few gift decisions in his career vs Castillo, DLH and Maidana. Flopped the Pacquiao fight after marinating it for five years hoping Manny would lose a step. That fight should have been a draw.

Undefeated doesn't = greatest. Marciano retired undefeated at 49-0, he was not nearly the greatest heavyweight of all time.

[ELPacman]

Pac has a weak resume filled with has beens and cake walks.
It's his style of fighting and so called humble personality that gets him attention.
He's the "good" guy while his nemesis May is the "bad" guy

Pac could not survive May's road to HOF
May would be undefeated if he had Pac's resume.

"Outside stuff" !!!!!!!!!!!

That's not true. In fact, if we were to add some points to Floyd's resume to get closer to the level of Pac's and consider them equal, then we can look at the outside argument of whose accomplished more in life. Mayweather couldn't hold Pac's jock strap. The dude can't even tell the products he's supposed to be selling on TV, let alone help counties and cities rebuild. All he wants to do is tell you about how rich he is. Yup... quite the personality.

[Bennyleonard99]

Dude you’re embarrassing yourself with all this.

You hate Floyd for other reasons. Just admit it and move on.

Floyd ruined boxing by cheating history and fans out of the best fights. He pretended he was the best but then boxed his career like a coward, always taking the path of least resistance. Margarito earned the big shot in 2006, Floyd ducked him. Cotto vs Floyd undefeated unification on HBO was set up perfectly in 2008 but Floyd ducked it. I could go on and on. Floyd got his shot to be the big kahuna because Oscar and Gatti gave him the platform. But Floyd didn't do the right thing and return the favor to Margarito, Cotto, Williams, Martinez. As he brags, being a coward made him very rich. Now after his lousy phony career boxing is at a lowpoint and near dead, but Usyk, Crawford, Beterbiev, Bivol, Pac saved it. Floyd was awful for boxing, he belonged in WWF.

[The D3vil]

Floyd's a great, great fighter.

A top 15-20 fighter who ever lived, but the whole "TBE" thing is & always has been a marketing strategy.

Keeping his "0" at all costs was a part of said marketing strategy

So, you have to put it all into context.

Respect his exceptional ring IQ & defense, which as good as anybody's ever, while at the same time understand that he was an opportunist & fought opponents at his own leisure when they had already been beaten, were past their prime, or hadn't reached their primes, yet.

[djtmal]

Why because post Hatton Floyd's run was garbage. Cherrypick City.

You know it's garbage when his fanboys defend him cherrypicking a lightweight

[TheProudLunatic]

That's not true. In fact, if we were to add some points to Floyd's resume to get closer to the level of Pac's and consider them equal, then we can look at the outside argument of whose accomplished more in life. Mayweather couldn't hold Pac's jock strap. The dude can't even tell the products he's supposed to be selling on TV, let alone help counties and cities rebuild. All he wants to do is tell you about how rich he is. Yup... quite the personality.

I DGAF about outside stuff until he committed serious crimes.
Too many meh guys beat Pac
Opps your team would make fun of May for losing to.

May easily would keep his 0 vs Pac's line up.

[daggum]

at this point this is a safe space. you can say "i got tricked" "oh yeah his resume is pretty mediocre" "wow he used all the dirty tactics in the book" "pillow gloves, how could i defend that?" "devising a ped testing system where he could cheat through tue's and his opponent couldnt? omg i was silly to defend that"