Who is greater all time: Floyd or Usyk?

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  • Pac=Duran
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    #141
    Originally posted by TheProudLunatic

    Haters think landing 26% of his shots is a winning recipe.
    There is not sense in trying

    Only tactic Miadana didnt try was kicking and head locking.
    Maidana dis better than expected and roughed Floyd the hell up. But it was never really that close.

    the fact Floyd was very very flustered and almost crying in his corner made people think that it was a draw or something. 8-4 Floyd iirc

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      #142
      Originally posted by Pac=Duran

      Maidana dis better than expected and roughed Floyd the hell up. But it was never really that close.

      the fact Floyd was very very flustered and almost crying in his corner made people think that it was a draw or something. 8-4 Floyd iirc
      Floyd rematch Madonna to avoid Thurman

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        #143
        Originally posted by djtmal

        Floyd rematch Madonna to avoid Thurman
        Yeah he did some totally fraudulent ducking and diving in his career no doubt. Usyk went towards the fire, never ran away

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          #144
          Originally posted by Pac=Duran

          Yeah he did some totally fraudulent ducking and diving in his career no doubt. Usyk went towards the fire, never ran away
          He'll get more respect by default

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            #145
            Originally posted by djtmal

            It's not like he didn't have opportunities to make fights with the best guys after a while you get tired of hearing the excuses and just call it like it is. He didn't want that smoke but he loved talking like he did
            Usyk even giving rematches to Josh and fury shows he isn't worried about his zero in the way floyd was and shows what he's made of.
            Floyd couldve rematched dlh, Nel o and pac. But if not at least fight thurman, spence, brook, bradley, bud etc etc

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              #146
              Originally posted by djtmal

              As long as he keeps beating prime fighters he will leave Floyd in the dust. Some must feel he did already
              Prime fighters like Daniel Dubois

              Try as you may, you're not re-writing history.

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                #147
                Originally posted by Gary Coleman

                That's the nature of being a heavywieght fighter, and look at who he's fighting.

                Floyd was P4P #1 and regarded as the best fighter in the world for how many years?!

                You have no argument. Not in skill level, champions, Hall of Famers or ATGs fought. Nothing!
                Floyd was never regarded as the best in the world. He was regarded as the P4P #1. There's a big difference.

                Usyk is quite literally the best boxer in the world right now. If everyone competed in a tournament, he would win. He might be one of the best boxers there has ever been. You can make a case for him beating nearly everyone who ever put on a pair of gloves throughout history.

                How's that for an argument for Usyk?

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                  #148
                  Floyd had a lot of advantages in his fights. Usyk never had catch weights, hometown advantage or had judges on his side.

                  Usyk by a mile.

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                    #149
                    Originally posted by Gary Coleman

                    Prime fighters like Daniel Dubois

                    Try as you may, you're not re-writing history.
                    I am not trying anything. Usyk is, and looks like he is succeeding. He is winning the poll easy

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                      #150
                      Originally posted by daggum

                      Everyone knows? How was usyks era weak? He beat gassiev who was #1. Breidis who was #1 after usyk left. He beat glowacki who was #2. He beat huck and mchunu who were top 10.

                      Haye beat mormeck and maccarinelli. Dont see how thats better. Enzo being in the top 5 should tell you how weak that era was because he never beat a top 10 fighter. Gassiev has 2 wins over guys who were #1 or went on to be #1. Breidis beat the top 2 guys in the Division. Glowacki beat the #1 guy. Sounds far more competitive to me.

                      Mormeck is definitely a good win but Mormeck was also 35 and had recently been kod before regaining his title. Gassiev breidis and glowacki were all undefeated and prime.

                      Jean Marc Mormeck had beaten every single fighter he had ever fought for almost an entire decade from 1997 to 2007 'And he avenged his loss to O'Neil Bell the IBF Cruiserweight Champion, prior to fighting David Haye. Oleksandr Uysk does not have a cruiserweight win, which is comparable. David Haye as a cruiserweight in my opinion at his absolute peak, was a better fighter than Oleksandr Uysk'.

                      All of those fighters you have mentioned, were close fights 'Uysk has very rarely ever dominated his top level opponents, I would say? Only Daniel Dubois II is the only top level fighter he has beaten by a distance. Tony Bellew was dead at the weight, and was arguable beating him before being knocked out'.

                      David Haye as a Cruiserweight fighter, dominated the other premier champions in the division 'He knocked out Jean Marc Mormeck away from home in France inside 7 rounds, and blasted out Enzo Maccarinelli inside 2 rounds. A by far more impressive and brutal cruiserweight run of fights than Oleksandr Uysk, winning as Champion in more brutal and conclusion fashion. The WBC, WBO, WBA, and Lineal Cruiserweight Titles'.

                      Oleksandr Uysk vs Daniel Dubois I & II 'Is the first time ever at top level, that Uysk has really separated himself from the competition. Against Dubois? Who yes is a solid fighter, but it is common knowledge that he is a front runner as a fighter at top level. I have been saying for a very long time, that Daniel Dubois is the type of fighter who is ether going to win fights in spectacular fashion or lose fights in spectacular fashion. It is almost inevitable, it is just a matter of when and against which top level fighter'.

                      Oleksandr Uysk is an all-time great fighter 'you would have to rate any fighter, who is able to become a two time Undisputed Champion as a great fighter. Because fighters can only beat their nearest competition within their era. In reality? Hypothetical match ups, are not relevant they are pure fiction and useless'.

                      I think people in the moment have over exaggerated Oleksandr Uysk's win vs Daniel Dubois II 'Seriously? Is Uysk vs Dubois I & II a better win than Lennox Lewis blasting out Donovan Razor Ruddock inside 2 rounds? Obliterating Andrew Golota inside 1 round? Mike Tyson decimating Michael Sprinks, fighter who has just beaten Larry Holmes twice back to back in 91 seconds ? I could mention many more great heavyweight wins, which side by side are better than Oleksandr Uysk's win'.

                      If Anthony Joshua vs Daniel Dubois II is made next 'I would still not be surprised if Joshua beats Dubois II, in way more impressive fashion than Oleksandr Uysk. Because Daniel Dubois for all of his abilities and strengths, skill for skill he is not very talented fighter compared to the proven great heavyweights of this era. Daniel Dubois moving forward in his career in my opinion, will continue to ether win in spectacular fashion or lose in speculation fashion. His next fight could be an impressive violent win, or he could so easily get smashed up by fighters such as Anthony Joshua II and Joseph Parker'.

                      To conclude: Oleksandr Uysk's wins over Daniel Dubois I & II 'Are not all-time great heavyweight victories. It is a win you would aspect a so called all-time great Heavyweight fighter to achieve. If Anthony Joshua would have blasted out Dubois I in their first fight, or even in the rematch? Very few people would be reacting to that level of victory, and claiming that Anthony Joshua is the greatest Heavyweight fighter of all times? But don't you think that is interesting, because Anthony Joshua even still now at this stage of his career has the ability to systematically Daniel Dubois, don't be surprised if such eventually happens moving forward in the game' etc.
                      Last edited by PRINCEKOOL; 07-22-2025, 07:25 AM.

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