Comments Thread For: Deontay Wilder: ?I lost my confidence... but it's back?

[kafkod]

I literally think Wilder thought he could beat Povetkin. I think he believed his hype. He believed over 12 rounds he would land his one money shot to bail him out. I don’t think he was ducking guys. The Fury Fights, Ortiz, Povetkin, I think he thought he could knock out Joshua. Truthfully I always rooted against him his whole career. Couldn’t stand him. Was embarrassed by his wild excuses after Fury 2. During Fury 3 I thought he showed a ton of heart and actually found myself rooting for him suddenly in that fight. Then afterwards, he did that bull**** about not wanting to shake hands with Fury or whatever in the ring and I was reminded of why I never liked him. But I think he really believed his right hand would bail him out versus any opponent.

I know what you mean. No matter what you thought of Wilder, if you were a legit fan of boxing, you simply couldn't help admiring the guy for the guts and heart he showed in those defeats to Fury.

[daggum]

He tried to fight AJ. Joshua asked for 50mil, was granted 50mil and Joshua turned the fight down.

the heavyweight era as I remember it at the time was Fury, Joshua, Wilder, Ortiz.

wilder fought Ortiz twice when he didn’t have to. First fight was super tough for him and he chose to run it back.

he fought Fury, was lucky to get a draw, and ran that back too when many fighters would have taken the draw and skipped town.

He lost to Fury, truthfully all 3x. That’s boxing. You win and you lose. He gave fury a lot of hell in that trilogy, dropping him in multiple fights. Wilder was not a duck by any means. He took tough fights when he had a way out of them, and he got my respect for that.

He was never granted 50 million. You are simply repeating wilder team rhetoric. He literally sent joshua an email saying let's fight for 50 million. Joshua said send the contract and he didn't which proves he was bluffing. No other way to see it. No contract no fight. If he had been granted a 50 million contract then you would be right but he was granted a bluff. This makes wilder look worse not better but the way people spin it is truly mind bobbling.

On the other hand joshua literally sent wilder a 100 million dollar contract which wilder admitted was real and which he turned down for loyalty purposes. Obviously a duck. Joshua was #1 at this time and wilder went on to make maybe 55 million tops instead.

so as you can see you have 1 guy putting in real work to try and make the fight happen and 1 guy trying to work the media and create misinformation for people to cling to with their confirmation bias.

Even now when the facts are clear you will have people say "they didn't want to fight each other" which is not true. It's a testament to good media spin from team wilder but truth shows Joshua tried over and over to fight him.

You can go back longer and wilder was offered 12.5 million when his career high was 2 million. A completely legit offer. Turned down. Wilder went on to make less in his next fight.

March 3-2018 Wilder was to earn a career high $2.1 million for the Ortiz fight.

April 12-2018 America's big-hitting heavyweight is set to reject a $12.5 million contract to fight Anthony Joshua after calling him 'a joke'

seems like a fair offer to me but once again wikder turned it down. 100 million? Obviously a crazy overpay but turned down. Even when wilder lost to Fury 3 times Joshua signed to fight him but wilder lost to Parker.

Wilder and pbc wanted to carefully pick their opponents and Joshua wasn't part of their plan. Obviously their plan was derailed by Fury who most thought was done but fighting Fury or Ortiz doesn't mean he didn't duck joshua because he clearly did.

[kafkod]

He was never granted 50 million. You are simply repeating wilder team rhetoric. He literally sent joshua an email saying let's fight for 50 million. Joshua said send the contract and he didn't which proves he was bluffing. No other way to see it. No contract no fight. If he had been granted a 50 million contract then you would be right but he was granted a bluff. This makes wilder look worse not better but the way people spin it is truly mind bobbling.

On the other hand joshua literally sent wilder a 100 million dollar contract which wilder admitted was real and which he turned down for loyalty purposes. Obviously a duck. Joshua was #1 at this time and wilder went on to make maybe 55 million tops instead.

so as you can see you have 1 guy putting in real work to try and make the fight happen and 1 guy trying to work the media and create misinformation for people to cling to with their confirmation bias.

Even now when the facts are clear you will have people say "they didn't want to fight each other" which is not true. It's a testament to good media spin from team wilder but truth shows Joshua tried over and over to fight him.

You can go back longer and wilder was offered 12.5 million when his career high was 2 million. A completely legit offer. Turned down. Wilder went on to make less in his next fight.

March 3-2018 Wilder was to earn a career high $2.1 million for the Ortiz fight.

April 12-2018 America's big-hitting heavyweight is set to reject a $12.5 million contract to fight Anthony Joshua after calling him 'a joke'

seems like a fair offer to me but once again wikder turned it down. 100 million? Obviously a crazy overpay but turned down. Even when wilder lost to Fury 3 times Joshua signed to fight him but wilder lost to Parker.

Wilder and pbc wanted to carefully pick their opponents and Joshua wasn't part of their plan. Obviously their plan was derailed by Fury who most thought was done but fighting Fury or Ortiz doesn't mean he didn't duck joshua because he clearly did.

Wilder to AJ, via social media: " I'll give you 50 million dollars to fight me. You have 24 hours to accept"

Eddie Hearn to Wilder: "We are very interested in your offer. Let's meet up to discuss the terms"

Wilder's manager to Hearn: "Have AJ accept the offer first, then we'll discuss the terms"

[Johnny Rubber]

So confidence does still come in a can

[Marchegiano]

Whatever bro, we here for murder!

[57Blues]

He has always talked about changing and learning the skills of boxing beyound the bussiness of bombs away hey the got got into some good fights and made out well for himself but he is not going to change most fighters do not change to the degree he would have to ........... and yea he is old in age and ring wear.

[Willow The Wisp]

Found another one

He called the 1st fight after trashing the ring and lineal championship, only to look like as.ses trying to cherrypick a semi retired Fury. Then luckily got a draw. Commenced to get his @ss whooped the next 2 fights. As for your claim he never ducked anyone, lol...its easy to do that when you don't make offers to anyone. After stepped up, get got his sh.it pushed in. End of story.

Not true. At all.

Fury had been back in action for two fights, in great shape, and fought the best fight of his life when he fought the undefeated Wilder in Wilder-Fury 1.
Same number of tune-ups Ali had when facing Frazier in the 1971 classic, after being inactive for a similar amount of time.

More than that, Fury was the undefeated Heavyweight Champion of the World, and Wilder wanted the most important fight out there - and that's what he got...three times.

Nothing that never champions like Ruiz, Joshua, Parker, Zhang and Ortiz ever matched in their careers.

These Joshua fans are ridiculous!

Your guy had some big audiences, won a few very good matches, wore a few plastic belts, as most contenders eventually do; but he got blasted out before he could earn a title shot.

Wilder made the most title defenses of the era's title claimants, yet never once lost in his prime (like Joshua and Parker and Ruiz and Lewis, Dubois and both Klitschko brothers did), and took on many of the same guys as his contemporaries.

That's HOW History is going to record the era.

[Willow The Wisp]

The offer to AJ has been proven to be bs.

Enlighten us all on those tough fights he took? Ref saved him in the 1st fight vs 50yo Ortiz, fight. He HAD to save face. He HAD to rematch Fury after getting a gift draw.

What tough fights during his title run did he take besides those 2? Spizlka, Molina, Brezeale? Lol

Molina and Breazeale are both on Joshua's resume as getting title shots as well. Nobody giving Joshua any guff about that. Interesting.

[TMLT87]

More than that, Fury was the undefeated Heavyweight Champion of the World, and Wilder wanted the most important fight out there - and that's what he got...three times.

Wilder wanted a flabby out of shape ring rusted cokehead who had been back for 6 months and looked terrible against cans after a near 3 year long "retirement" where he looked to have ballooned up to 350 or more. A guy who was considered pillow fisted, a guy who was dropped by Steve Cunningham.

What was SUPPOSED to happen was Wilder was meant to flatline him, then he was gonna walk around saying he was the real lineal champ, that he beat "the guy", that Fury is a better British HW than AJ citing their respective performances against Wlad etc. It was meant to be a smart play where they rushed an undisciplined pillow fisted opponent into a fight before he was back at 100%and could get bragging rights in the posturing war with AJ, but they ****ed up. Then they ****ed up again with the rematch because they were encouraged by the knockdowns in the first fight and figured they were going to get point fighter Fury again, remember "he has to perfect for 12 rounds, I only have to be perfect for one second"?

It was a cherry pick gone wrong. Tbh I think Fury himself committed to the Wilder fights as a way of avoiding AJ too. The fight was signed out of nowhere right near the AJ/Povetkin fight. Thats not me being an AJ nuthugger or saying AJ is necessarily better than Wilder either, i'm saying that at that time Fury felt he was, and Wilder felt Fury was a less dangerous fight than AJ too. So they signed to fight each other then proceeded to talk a bunch of **** about "best vs the best" and trying to boost each others credibility while **** talking Joshua.

[letsgochump]

Not true. At all.

Fury had been back in action for two fights, in great shape, and fought the best fight of his life when he fought the undefeated Wilder in Wilder-Fury 1.
Same number of tune-ups Ali had when facing Frazier in the 1971 classic, after being inactive for a similar amount of time.

More than that, Fury was the undefeated Heavyweight Champion of the World, and Wilder wanted the most important fight out there - and that's what he got...three times.

Nothing that never champions like Ruiz, Joshua, Parker, Zhang and Ortiz ever matched in their careers.

These Joshua fans are ridiculous!

Your guy had some big audiences, won a few very good matches, wore a few plastic belts, as most contenders eventually do; but he got blasted out before he could earn a title shot.

Wilder made the most title defenses of the era's title claimants, yet never once lost in his prime (like Joshua and Parker and Ruiz and Lewis, Dubois and both Klitschko brothers did), and took on many of the same guys as his contemporaries.

That's HOW History is going to record the era.

History will record Wilder’s advanced level twerking, talking about being extrarestrial and wanting a body on his record while beating Szpilka and Duhaupas level guys. History will remember him facing 3 top guys in Parker, Fury and Zhang.

Autopsy. Egg weights. Bum squad. Till this day. Till this DAY.