Comments Thread For: Deontay Wilder: ?I lost my confidence... but it's back?

[JakeTheBoxer]

I don`t even believe Wilder beats Franklin at this point.

[Toffee]

The offer to AJ has been proven to be bs.

Enlighten us all on those tough fights he took? Ref saved him in the 1st fight vs 50yo Ortiz, fight. He HAD to save face. He HAD to rematch Fury after getting a gift draw.

What tough fights during his title run did he take besides those 2? Spizlka, Molina, Brezeale? Lol

Correct.

The one that sticks out for me, though, is Povetkin.

Why on earth was he taking that fight? When you look at the other choices he made it stands as a strange decision.

Or did they somehow know it wouldn't go ahead?

[Mission2Uranus]

Correct.

The one that sticks out for me, though, is Povetkin.

Why on earth was he taking that fight? When you look at the other choices he made it stands as a strange decision.

Or did they somehow know it wouldn't go ahead?

I literally think Wilder thought he could beat Povetkin. I think he believed his hype. He believed over 12 rounds he would land his one money shot to bail him out. I don’t think he was ducking guys. The Fury Fights, Ortiz, Povetkin, I think he thought he could knock out Joshua. Truthfully I always rooted against him his whole career. Couldn’t stand him. Was embarrassed by his wild excuses after Fury 2. During Fury 3 I thought he showed a ton of heart and actually found myself rooting for him suddenly in that fight. Then afterwards, he did that bull**** about not wanting to shake hands with Fury or whatever in the ring and I was reminded of why I never liked him. But I think he really believed his right hand would bail him out versus any opponent.

[kafkod]

He tried to fight AJ. Joshua asked for 50mil, was granted 50mil and Joshua turned the fight down.

the heavyweight era as I remember it at the time was Fury, Joshua, Wilder, Ortiz.

wilder fought Ortiz twice when he didn’t have to. First fight was super tough for him and he chose to run it back.

he fought Fury, was lucky to get a draw, and ran that back too when many fighters would have taken the draw and skipped town.

He lost to Fury, truthfully all 3x. That’s boxing. You win and you lose. He gave fury a lot of hell in that trilogy, dropping him in multiple fights. Wilder was not a duck by any means. He took tough fights when he had a way out of them, and he got my respect for that.

Wilder avoided fighting Klitschko for the undisputed crown as verified by his own manager. After the IBF, WBO and WBA titles were divided, he made no attempt to unify with any of the guys who held them, leaving that job to AJ.

After AJ unified those 3 titles, Wilder turned down a career high offer from Hearn to fight AJ for all the belts, then turned down a $100milion offer to fight AJ from DAZN. He responded with a ridiculous bogus "offer" to AJ via social media, refusing to discuss the terms of the offer unless AJ accepted it first. WTF!!!?

Ortiz was never a legit top HW. He swerved his mandatory shot at AJ, then turned down a career high voluntary defence offer from AJ.

[TMLT87]

He only "lost his confidence" because he finally started fighting actual top 5 level opponents who ****ed him up repeatedly.

[kafkod]

Correct.

The one that sticks out for me, though, is Povetkin.

Why on earth was he taking that fight? When you look at the other choices he made it stands as a strange decision.

Or did they somehow know it wouldn't go ahead?

It was a mandatory defence, so he had no option in that respect.

What puzzled me was why the WBC ordered him to fight Povetkin in the first place, when they were clearly in Haymon/PBC's pocket at that time. Maybe, for legal reasons, they were compelled to?

[kafkod]

I literally think Wilder thought he could beat Povetkin. I think he believed his hype. He believed over 12 rounds he would land his one money shot to bail him out. I don’t think he was ducking guys. The Fury Fights, Ortiz, Povetkin, I think he thought he could knock out Joshua. Truthfully I always rooted against him his whole career. Couldn’t stand him. Was embarrassed by his wild excuses after Fury 2. During Fury 3 I thought he showed a ton of heart and actually found myself rooting for him suddenly in that fight. Then afterwards, he did that bull**** about not wanting to shake hands with Fury or whatever in the ring and I was reminded of why I never liked him. But I think he really believed his right hand would bail him out versus any opponent.

I know what you mean. No matter what you thought of Wilder, if you were a legit fan of boxing, you simply couldn't help admiring the guy for the guts and heart he showed in those defeats to Fury.

[daggum]

He tried to fight AJ. Joshua asked for 50mil, was granted 50mil and Joshua turned the fight down.

the heavyweight era as I remember it at the time was Fury, Joshua, Wilder, Ortiz.

wilder fought Ortiz twice when he didn’t have to. First fight was super tough for him and he chose to run it back.

he fought Fury, was lucky to get a draw, and ran that back too when many fighters would have taken the draw and skipped town.

He lost to Fury, truthfully all 3x. That’s boxing. You win and you lose. He gave fury a lot of hell in that trilogy, dropping him in multiple fights. Wilder was not a duck by any means. He took tough fights when he had a way out of them, and he got my respect for that.

He was never granted 50 million. You are simply repeating wilder team rhetoric. He literally sent joshua an email saying let's fight for 50 million. Joshua said send the contract and he didn't which proves he was bluffing. No other way to see it. No contract no fight. If he had been granted a 50 million contract then you would be right but he was granted a bluff. This makes wilder look worse not better but the way people spin it is truly mind bobbling.

On the other hand joshua literally sent wilder a 100 million dollar contract which wilder admitted was real and which he turned down for loyalty purposes. Obviously a duck. Joshua was #1 at this time and wilder went on to make maybe 55 million tops instead.

so as you can see you have 1 guy putting in real work to try and make the fight happen and 1 guy trying to work the media and create misinformation for people to cling to with their confirmation bias.

Even now when the facts are clear you will have people say "they didn't want to fight each other" which is not true. It's a testament to good media spin from team wilder but truth shows Joshua tried over and over to fight him.

You can go back longer and wilder was offered 12.5 million when his career high was 2 million. A completely legit offer. Turned down. Wilder went on to make less in his next fight.

March 3-2018 Wilder was to earn a career high $2.1 million for the Ortiz fight.

April 12-2018 America's big-hitting heavyweight is set to reject a $12.5 million contract to fight Anthony Joshua after calling him 'a joke'

seems like a fair offer to me but once again wikder turned it down. 100 million? Obviously a crazy overpay but turned down. Even when wilder lost to Fury 3 times Joshua signed to fight him but wilder lost to Parker.

Wilder and pbc wanted to carefully pick their opponents and Joshua wasn't part of their plan. Obviously their plan was derailed by Fury who most thought was done but fighting Fury or Ortiz doesn't mean he didn't duck joshua because he clearly did.

[kafkod]

He was never granted 50 million. You are simply repeating wilder team rhetoric. He literally sent joshua an email saying let's fight for 50 million. Joshua said send the contract and he didn't which proves he was bluffing. No other way to see it. No contract no fight. If he had been granted a 50 million contract then you would be right but he was granted a bluff. This makes wilder look worse not better but the way people spin it is truly mind bobbling.

On the other hand joshua literally sent wilder a 100 million dollar contract which wilder admitted was real and which he turned down for loyalty purposes. Obviously a duck. Joshua was #1 at this time and wilder went on to make maybe 55 million tops instead.

so as you can see you have 1 guy putting in real work to try and make the fight happen and 1 guy trying to work the media and create misinformation for people to cling to with their confirmation bias.

Even now when the facts are clear you will have people say "they didn't want to fight each other" which is not true. It's a testament to good media spin from team wilder but truth shows Joshua tried over and over to fight him.

You can go back longer and wilder was offered 12.5 million when his career high was 2 million. A completely legit offer. Turned down. Wilder went on to make less in his next fight.

March 3-2018 Wilder was to earn a career high $2.1 million for the Ortiz fight.

April 12-2018 America's big-hitting heavyweight is set to reject a $12.5 million contract to fight Anthony Joshua after calling him 'a joke'

seems like a fair offer to me but once again wikder turned it down. 100 million? Obviously a crazy overpay but turned down. Even when wilder lost to Fury 3 times Joshua signed to fight him but wilder lost to Parker.

Wilder and pbc wanted to carefully pick their opponents and Joshua wasn't part of their plan. Obviously their plan was derailed by Fury who most thought was done but fighting Fury or Ortiz doesn't mean he didn't duck joshua because he clearly did.

Wilder to AJ, via social media: " I'll give you 50 million dollars to fight me. You have 24 hours to accept"

Eddie Hearn to Wilder: "We are very interested in your offer. Let's meet up to discuss the terms"

Wilder's manager to Hearn: "Have AJ accept the offer first, then we'll discuss the terms"

[Johnny Rubber]

So confidence does still come in a can