Why do people still challenge AJ more than Wilder ?

[NihonJim]

People didn’t give a ****?

He was enough of a draw that when AJ demanded $50 million to fight him, Team Wilder sent over an offer for $50 million plus a 50% share of the event revenue. Joshua then didn’t take it and ran away.

At his commercial peak after the fury 1 draw he and Ortiz split 2 million USD purse.

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At his commercial peak after the fury 1 draw he and Ortiz split 2 million USD purse.

Joshua asked for $50 million to fight Wilder. And Wilder’s team accepted and sent him an offer.

Then Joshua’s side moved the goalposts.

[TMLT87]

People didn’t give a ****?

He was enough of a draw that when AJ demanded $50 million to fight him, Team Wilder sent over an offer for $50 million plus a 50% share of the event revenue. Joshua then didn’t take it and ran away.

The whole "who ducked who" schtick can go on forever without anyone really knowing for sure.

What we DO know is AJ stepped up much quicker in his career and consistently fought top 10 level guys while Wilder spent a decade beating up cans in obscurity in Alabama before finally stepping up in his 40th pro fight.

Anyway it just seems like you're bitter that the UK shows up for boxing and America on the whole doesnt. You'd think a boxing fan would be happy that there are boxing matches out there drawing huge crowds instead of disparaging it.

[billeau2]

I agree with TM T87 about the "whole who ducked who schtick." Nobody really knows what happened, yet so many people talk like they know what happened. I think us Muricans know we can get a rise out of the British crowd by joshing Joshua. It is kind of like knowing if the Queens guard is approaching to clear the way one can get a rise by saying something nasty about the King (like his chimp ears, how he looks like Alfred E neuman... something like that).

Wilder and Joshua were both IMO tragickly flawed, but in different ways. Joshua had the curse of the horizontal heavy weight. Like Bruno, there was a place that was too far for Joshua to reach when it came to winning in the ring. It was never his chin, anymore than Bruno, yet if one looks at Bruno after the flooring by Tim Witherspoon there is a very distinct look... Flabbergast, shock, Help!, whatever one wants to call it and Joshua was cut from the same cloth.

Wilder's problems were not his will so much as his hamarte his arrogance, the belief that he could do it his way with just his right hand. Both men had great careers, but the truth machine we call the boxing ring managed to pass judgement on them. AJ is probably no more ready than Wilder to reenter the fray... well ok, maybe a little more ready given Wilder's fight against Zhang.

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The whole "who ducked who" schtick can go on forever without anyone really knowing for sure.

What we DO know is AJ stepped up much quicker in his career and consistently fought top 10 level guys while Wilder spent a decade beating up cans in obscurity in Alabama before finally stepping up in his 40th pro fight.

Anyway it just seems like you're bitter that the UK shows up for boxing and America on the whole doesnt. You'd think a boxing fan would be happy that there are boxing matches out there drawing huge crowds instead of disparaging it.

It’s not schtick.

Joshua literally said he would fight Wilder for $50 million. Wilder’s team said great, we can come up with the money to get that done. Here’s an offer for you. Let’s go.

Then Joshua dick tucked. Only to get humiliated in Madison Square Garden against replacement opponent Andy Ruiz.

I can post links to BoxingScene articles that support that if you want.

[ShoulderRoll]

I agree with TM T87 about the "whole who ducked who schtick." Nobody really knows what happened, yet so many people talk like they know what happened. I think us Muricans know we can get a rise out of the British crowd by joshing Joshua. It is kind of like knowing if the Queens guard is approaching to clear the way one can get a rise by saying something nasty about the King (like his chimp ears, how he looks like Alfred E neuman... something like that).

Wilder and Joshua were both IMO tragickly flawed, but in different ways. Joshua had the curse of the horizontal heavy weight. Like Bruno, there was a place that was too far for Joshua to reach when it came to winning in the ring. It was never his chin, anymore than Bruno, yet if one looks at Bruno after the flooring by Tim Witherspoon there is a very distinct look... Flabbergast, shock, Help!, whatever one wants to call it and Joshua was cut from the same cloth.

Wilder's problems were not his will so much as his hamarte his arrogance, the belief that he could do it his way with just his right hand. Both men had great careers, but the truth machine we call the boxing ring managed to pass judgement on them. AJ is probably no more ready than Wilder to reenter the fray... well ok, maybe a little more ready given Wilder's fight against Zhang.

Except we do know what happened, billeau2.

The sequence of events can be documented with BoxingScene articles from that period.

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Supporting his son Carnela. Your on carnelas nuts cause it makes froids overrated resume seem like it's aging good

Canelo is a sure fire future Hall of Famer. Why can’t people support him? Although he seems to be in decline now and has fallen off.

Floyd has Canelo, Pacquiao, JMM and several other names on his resume. It’s aging good because it is good.

[TMLT87]

It’s not schtick.

Joshua literally said he would fight Wilder for $50 million. Wilder’s team said great, we can come up with the money to get that done. Here’s an offer for you. Let’s go.

Then Joshua dick tucked. Only to get humiliated in Madison Square Garden against replacement opponent Andy Ruiz.

I can post links to BoxingScene articles that support that if you want.

I cant remember the exact situation but wasnt there some kind of weird stipulations like he had to sign the contract within 24 hours or some **** like that? around 2018ish? from what I remember there was a contract offer from Wilders side where it just seemed like games were being played and it was a publicity stunt. The way Wilder/Fury signed to a multi fight deal seemingly out of nowhere when Fury was still visibly out of shape a few months into his comeback looking like **** was weird too.

Again, nobody knows who ducked who, or if they both ducked each other to some degree, or if it was more the people around them causing issues. To this day you get plenty of people accusing Wilder of being the one ducking, we've seen it in this very thread. The situation was and probably always will be inconclusive.

Its besides the point anyway, AJ was the bigger star. A lot of it was because of the UK audience but part of it was also because he stepped up more quickly and consistently. Wilder didnt have a genuinely big fight until Ortiz almost TEN ****ING YEARS into his career. He was probably never going to be a huge star either way because Americans just dont care about boxing like that now, but if it had been him fighting and beating Wlad etc instead of treading water for years he at least would have been bigger than he was.

[deathofaclown]

Yeah, money but i'd say even that is diminishing as a payday.

I doubt AJ will be selling any stadiums in the UK anymore unless he fights Fury. I think the public are moving on from AJ now, he was already dwindling in ticket sales a few years ago, but the domestic dust up with Dubois did well because AJ looked good in a few easy fights.

The public won't fall for it again, so there will be no rebuild for AJ. If he and Hearn want to fill a stadium, it's only happening Vs Fury. Otherwise he's gonna just become cannon fodder for the Saudi's, like Wilder has become.

Wilder on the other hand has never been a huge draw, not on that level anyway. There's no huge value in beating this washed up version of Wilder.

[NihonJim]

I cant remember the exact situation but wasnt there some kind of weird stipulations like he had to sign the contract within 24 hours or some **** like that?.

That's exactly what happened, in fact it wasn't even a contract, it was an offer sheet, Hearn requested a meeting to discuss terms, was denied and told he had 24 hours yes or no.

It was a PR stunt from wilders team and nothing more.