If Dubois were to defeat Usyk in their rematch

[Smash]

If Daniel Dubois dominates:

1. Tyson Fury, England 34-2-1 (24)
2. Daniel Dubois, England 23-2-0 (21)
3. Deontay Wilder, USA 43-4-1 (42)

wilder ahead of usyk?

and usyk out of the top 3?

something seems broken in my head

[Bennyleonard99]

Well it would throw the hwt division into chaos like after McCall KOed Lennox and when Buster KOed Tyson. It's been a really long time since the HWT title didn't follow the script. Foreman vs Moorer was supposedly an upset but it almost felt staged in a way. Because Foreman was really the A side and Moorer a non draw. Funny how Moorer did not demand the rematch. Usyk is getting old and Dubois is a beast. A big upset is possible. But Usyk has that confidence aura which seems like nobody alive can beat him right now.

[Willow The Wisp]

How on ****ing earth is Wilder top 3 in either scenario? because he put together a bunch of title defences against guys like Artur Szpilka and Gerald Washington?

It's a very, very close shave between those at the top in this Gen, but it's all been covered before. And of course, It's just my opinion.

It's based on a careful analysis of relative aggregate accomplishment; predicated on quality of opposition, naturally; and other factors that include Wilder's greater number of title defenses, greater number of wins and greater number of knockouts, more time at the top, his perfect obligation fulfillment to the WBC contenders (only), his dramatic knockout capabilities, olympic pedigree, and never once having suffered a loss in this prime. They all did the Szpilka & Washington thing; in between top opponents; Fury and Ortiz in Wilder's case; but Joshua and Dubois and Parker and Ortiz and Whyte each suffered epically perportioned smash down knockout losses when smack in the middle of their prime, which Wilder never did, and Wilder's slightly lighter opponent quality score (which is a real thing, if somewhat exaggerated) just misses overcoming that fact.
I've seen all of the aforementioned train and fight live on multiple occasions, and personally feel exceptionally confident in what my senses show me, with no agenda at all.
.....but I could be wrong. Naturally. It's strictly a judgment call.

[Bennyleonard99]

Dubois is a scary physical beast. Seems to have a good head, and the good poise and comfort in the spotlight. He has all the tools. But does he have the right trainer? Emanuel Steward RIP with Dubois would be a lethal combination.

[Willow The Wisp]

wilder ahead of usyk?

and usyk out of the top 3?

something seems broken in my head

Nothings broken. You just disagree.

[Coverdale]

It's a very, very close shave between those at the top in this Gen, but it's all been covered before. And of course, It's just my opinion.

It's based on a careful analysis of relative aggregate accomplishment; predicated on quality of opposition, naturally; and other factors that include Wilder's greater number of title defenses, greater number of wins and greater number of knockouts, more time at the top, his perfect obligation fulfillment to the WBC contenders (only), his dramatic knockout capabilities, olympic pedigree, and never once having suffered a loss in this prime. They all did the Szpilka & Washington thing; in between top opponents; Fury and Ortiz in Wilder's case; but Joshua and Dubois and Parker and Ortiz and Whyte each suffered epically perportioned smash down knockout losses when smack in the middle of their prime, which Wilder never did, and Wilder's slightly lighter opponent quality score (which is a real thing, if somewhat exaggerated) just misses overcoming that fact.
I've seen all of the aforementioned train and fight live on multiple occasions, and personally feel exceptionally confident in what my senses show me, with no agenda at all.
.....but I could be wrong. Naturally. It's strictly a judgment call.

So Wilder's 'prime' ended after the first Fury fight (which he arguably lost), that's convenient.

I like how the alphabets suddenly mean something to you when it suits your argument.

[daggum]

So Wilder's 'prime' ended after the first Fury fight (which he arguably lost), that's convenient.

I like how the alphabets suddenly mean something to you when it suits your argument.

According to this guy wilder spent his entire prime fighting bums(and looking horrid) and the exact moment he stepped up to top competition he became shot. Of course laughable fanboy logic. It's basically the no true Scotsman fallacy. Wilder lost therefore wilder was not prime.

[IronDanHamza]

According to this guy wilder spent his entire prime fighting bums(and looking horrid) and the exact moment he stepped up to top competition he became shot. Of course laughable fanboy logic. It's basically the no true Scotsman fallacy. Wilder lost therefore wilder was not prime.

That is not a No True Scotsman Fallacy.

I know you discovered a fallacy book of some sort on your first ever trip to the library recently but you have not even the first clue what any of these fallacies actually are when you attempt to cite them.

[daggum]

That is not a No True Scotsman Fallacy.

I know you discovered a fallacy book of some sort on your first ever trip to the library recently but you have not even the first clue what any of these fallacies actually are when you attempt to cite them.

It clearly is a no true scotsman fallacy. Wilder lost. Therefore wilder was not in his prime because a prime wilder can't lose. Don't think you understand what fallacies are which is why you keep making them. It's OK keep trying to learn. I'm here to help

[MalevolentBite]

I give Daniel a 40% chance to win but he can't go in there and try to box. He has to make it a ugly fight and attack the body.

I wouldnt call Uysk overrated or give him an excuse. I would be kinda sad, that he didnt retire undefeated. You were already undisputed in two divisions. You already beaten Daniel. Why keep rolling the dice. Retire on top like Ward, Floyd and etc. Get out the game before the game ends you. I would hate to see that.