If Dubois were to defeat Usyk in their rematch

[ELPacman]

The chatter is people DKSAB. Usyk's career and achievements are already cemented. He's done it all and anything else is a bonus. I'm honestly shocked he decided to take this fight when he really didn't have to. I guess that goes to show the kind of man Usyk is. Rather than take a rather easy fight for a big paycheck at this point in his career Canela style, he's facing one of the toughest in his prime, young, big punchers in heavyweight that he technically already has a W against. Though of course he wants to settle that dispute of their first fight to leave no doubt. And honestly, I'm not sure he can get the W this time. Usyk has aged more while Dubois has only gotten stronger and moving into his prime years. It just might be Dubois time now.

If Usyk loses, it does not tarnish his legacy in anyway. It just means he needs to close the book and retire already. There is nothing left for him to accomplish.

[Willow The Wisp]

If Dubois beats usyk that knocks usyk down and wilder becomes the best of his era. New rankings will be...

1. Wilder
2. Usyk
3. Fury
4. Joshua
5. Ortiz

Wilder will be watching with bated breath

Another dig at the USA, or African-Americans, or perhaps just Wilder. Your signature. But not quite.
Largely due to his being the latest craze, everybody here, many of whom have memories as short as their attention span, assume that Oleksandr Usyk is going to make light work of Daniel Dubois; and they may be correct, say the odds.
But maybe not.

This being the tail end year of the 2015 - 2025 era, it's a great time to again evaluate how THIS HEAVYWEIGHT ERA IS RANKED......


IF Oleksandr Usyk dominates:

1. Oleksandr Usyk, Ukraine 24-0-0 (14)
2. Tyson Fury, England 34-2-1 (24)
3. Deontay Wilder, USA 43-4-1 (42)
4. Daniel Dubois, England 22-3-0 (21)
5. Anthony Joshua, England 28-4-0 (25)
6. Joseph Parker, New Zealand 36-3-0 (24)
7. Zhilei Zhang, China 27-3-1 (22)
8. Agit Kabayel, Turkey 26-0-0 (18)
9. Andy Ruiz Jr., USA 35-2-1 (22)
10.Luis Ortiz, Cuba 34-3-0 (29)
11.Dillian Whyte, England 31-3-0 (21)
12.Martin Bakole, Congo 21-2-0. (16)
13.Wladimir Klitschko, Ukraine 64-5-0 (53)
14.Joe Joyce, England 16-4-0 (15)
15.Jarrell Miller, USA 26-1-2 (22)
16.Derrick Chisora, England 36-13-0(23)
17.Alexander Povetkin, Russia 36-3-1 (25)
18.Kubrat Pulev, Bulgaria 32-3-0 (14)
19.Filip Hrgovic, Croatia 18-1-0 (14)
20.Charles Martin, USA 30-4-1 (27)


If Daniel Dubois dominates:

1. Tyson Fury, England 34-2-1 (24)
2. Daniel Dubois, England 23-2-0 (21)
3. Deontay Wilder, USA 43-4-1 (42)
4. Oleksandr Usyk, Ukraine 23-1-0 (14)
5. Anthony Joshua, England 28-4-0 (25)
6. Joseph Parker, New Zealand 36-3-0 (24)
7. Zhilei Zhang, China 27-3-1 (22)
8. Agit Kabayel, Turkey 26-0-0 (18)
9. Andy Ruiz Jr., USA 35-2-1 (22)
10.Luis Ortiz, Cuba 34-3-0 (29)
11.Dillian Whyte, England 31-3-0 (21)
12.Martin Bakole, Congo 21-2-1. (16)
13.Wladimir Klitschko, Ukraine 64-5-0 (53)
14.Joe Joyce, England 16-4-0 (15)
15.Jarrell Miller, USA 26-1-2 (22)
16.Derrick Chisora, England 36-13-0(23)
17.Alexander Povetkin, Russia 36-3-1 (25)
18.Kubrat Pulev, Bulgaria 32-3-0 (14)
19.Filip Hrgovic, Croatia 18-1-0 (14)
20.Charles Martin, USA 30-4-1 (27)

[Brother Mouzone]

For me it would be Dubois epic redemption story .....................

[Willow The Wisp]

Klitschko and Povetkin are the only ones who are retired.

[NihonJim]

If Usyk wins it'll be his best win at heavyweight.

I know people like to saint usyk and hate any perceived criticism of him but the facts are fury and Joshua as well as Dubois the first time we're all in very bad form when he fought them.

-Joshua was two fights removed from being splattered by ruiz, clearly lacking in confidence, looked woeful against pulev the fight before Usyk and looked just as woeful vs Franklin the fight after

-Fury looked awful vs chisora and arguably lost to Ngannou, looked like a fighter who should have retired after wilder 3

-Dubois the first time, raw, not long off quitting vs slow Joyce and getting put down 3 times vs larena the fight previous.

I picked Usyk to won all 5 of those fights due to form, I can't pick a fighter who's looking terrible vs D level opponents like 40 year old Pulev or Ngannou to beat an A level fighter like Usyk, it's not logical.


It's just facts that Usyks opposition at heavyweight has all been in very poor form when he's faced them, not one of his opponents could you say was on a great run and looking in great form going in vs Usyk, UNTIL Dubois two

So if Usyk wins I'll give him a heck of a lot of credit and it's be his best win.

[JimRaynor]

If Usyk loses the chatter will be that Usyk is old and now clearly past his prime, especially if Dubois really dominates him.

[TMLT87]

IF Oleksandr Usyk dominates:

1. Oleksandr Usyk, Ukraine 24-0-0 (14)
2. Tyson Fury, England 34-2-1 (24)
3. Deontay Wilder, USA 43-4-1 (42)
4. Daniel Dubois, England 22-3-0 (21)
5. Anthony Joshua, England 28-4-0 (25)


If Daniel Dubois dominates:

1. Tyson Fury, England 34-2-1 (24)
2. Daniel Dubois, England 23-2-0 (21)
3. Deontay Wilder, USA 43-4-1 (42)
4. Oleksandr Usyk, Ukraine 23-1-0 (14)
5. Anthony Joshua, England 28-4-0 (25)

How on ****ing earth is Wilder top 3 in either scenario? because he put together a bunch of title defences against guys like Artur Szpilka and Gerald Washington?

[TMLT87]

The chatter is people DKSAB. Usyk's career and achievements are already cemented. He's done it all and anything else is a bonus. I'm honestly shocked he decided to take this fight when he really didn't have to. I guess that goes to show the kind of man Usyk is. Rather than take a rather easy fight for a big paycheck at this point in his career Canela style, he's facing one of the toughest in his prime, young, big punchers in heavyweight that he technically already has a W against. Though of course he wants to settle that dispute of their first fight to leave no doubt. And honestly, I'm not sure he can get the W this time. Usyk has aged more while Dubois has only gotten stronger and moving into his prime years. It just might be Dubois time now.

If Usyk loses, it does not tarnish his legacy in anyway. It just means he needs to close the book and retire already. There is nothing left for him to accomplish.

Totally agree with this. Usyk could have easily rode off into to the sunset off the back of beating Fury a SECOND time, in his late 30s too, it would have been the perfect time to bow out. Hes taking a big risk sticking around and should be commended.

[hugh grant]

Usyk would have to fight on longer and restore reputation

[PRINCEKOOL]

It all depends on how he wins 'If Daniel Dubois blast Oleksandr Uysk II out inside 4 to 6 rounds. Which is actually the most likely type of win for Dubois, and then I think the reaction to the fight will be similar to when Dubois beat Joshua. Nobody in the boxing media, has really discredited Daniel Dubois for his win over Anthony Joshua. It was quite simply not a great technical performance by Joshua, and Dubois capitalized on this he had his Any Given Saturday: In reference to the NFL Movie: Any Given Sunday 1999'.

And when you really analyse Dubois vs Uysk II stylistically 'Daniel Dubois wining by stoppage inside 4 to 6 rounds, is actually the most likely type of win for Dubois. Because I personally don't think Dubois has the endurance or overall game to consistently win rounds against Uysk like the way Fury and Joshua did to a certain extent. Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua outside of Oleksandr Uysk, are the two most proven and component skill for skill boxers in the Heavyweight Division. Daniel Dubois has proven that he has power, brute strength and is a determined fighter. But he has never proven in any of his prior fights in his career, that at World to Elite level he is a great skill for skill boxer'.

Note: Daniel Dubois even against Anthony Joshua on his best night 'Did not really prove he was skill for skill a World to Elite level boxer, Joshua even while hurt and concussed was still able to fight his way back into the fight before making a unforced error and wading into Dubois's power punch in round 5. In terms of aggression, and displaying solid power? Daniel Dubois performed very well vs Anthony Joshua. But I would not exactly rate his performance as a sophisticated offensive destruction of Joshua, it was nowhere near the level of offensive mastery as Mike Tyson vs Michael Spinks 1988'.

To conclude: So the reaction to the fight all depends of how Daniel Dubois wins the fight 'If he blasts him out? People within the boxing community will react in a similar fashion to how they did in regards to his performance against Anthony Joshua. If Dubois somehow wins over the distance, and has the ability to score points and win rounds against Uysk? Then many people will suggest that Oleksandr Uysk II has decreased in his form, and should retire from the game'.

For me personally I am backing Oleksandr Uysk II to win again 'Ether over the distance or by stoppage in the latter rounds. If Uysk is in solid from, and he has maintained his conditioning from recent fights. Then I would not be surprised this potential rematch win is way more dominant than the first fight' etc.