Comments Thread For: Peace of his mind: Ryan Garcia says he has 'gotten back to reality'

[IronDanHamza]

Yeah meaning Haney skills was overrated as well

Ok? Fantastic. What's your point?

Haney could be totally void of any skill, it still won't change the fact that whatever Garcia was able to do to him in that particular fight was under the assistance of PEDs.

How many times do I have to repeat the same thing, honestly? This isn't some cryptic stuff.

No matter what anyone wants to bring up; Haney's lack of skills, Haney's weak chin, Haney dropping his hands, the amount of Ostarine, the fact Garcia could potentially win without PEDs, the day of the week, the weather in spain, NONE OF THIS is of any relevance.

All we KNOW, about the fight those two fighters had, is what Ryan Garcia can do WHILST ON PEDs. We do not know anything else other than that.

This isn't difficult.

[LarryMerchant'sBottle]

It's certainly possible. Nobody knows until they pop for something.



Yes as established, I'm sure he has a chance without PEDs.

Doesn't mean a lick to the fact all we KNOW is what he can do to Haney WITH Peds. It's really not difficult, it's cut and dry.



It didn't say I thought that. It doesn't matter what I think, or you think.

All that matters is what we KNOW, which is, what Garcia can do to Haney ON PEDs. That is all we KNOW. We don't KNOW anything other than that.



I think you think this is some kind of point, but, sadly, it's not.

Haney could have hypothetically won every round it still wouldn't change the fact that Garcia was under the assistance of PED's and anything he did, or does in that particular fight is under that assistance and we don't know what he'd do in that particular fight without them.

It's as simple as that.

But we also know that Ryan was able to KO 85% of his opponents with his left hook while testing clean for any PEDs which would lead almost anyone to believe that Ryan could definitely hurt Devin and possibly beat Devin if he got hit with Ryan's left hook.

We also know that Devin was easily outboxing Ryan even though Ryan had traces of Ostarine in his system. The guy tested positive so the fight result was nulled. They might fight against each other again in October and the outcome will more than likely depend on how Devin fights Ryan. If he tries to trade with Ryan, he'll be busting out the kick worm moves again. If he boxes him smartly, he should easily get UD win.

[IronDanHamza]

Am I not speaking English or something here? I have literally already addressed, and answered these exact points already multiple times and you're now just repeating the same thing again that I have already answered. What can I do to make it simpler?

But we also know that Ryan was able to KO 85% of his opponents with his left hook while testing clean for any PEDs which would lead almost anyone to believe that Ryan could definitely hurt Devin and possibly beat Devin if he got hit with Ryan's left hook.

Ok....AND? So what?

What is the point you're attempting to make there and how does it change the fact that when these two men fought Ryan Garcia WAS ON PEDs so what he did to Haney in that fight was whilst ON PEDs?

Yes I'm sure Garcia could hurt Haney without the assistance of PEDs. So what?!?! It's irrelevant what he hypothetically could or couldn't do. All we KNOW is what he can do ON PEDs. How do I make this simpler? Tell me.

Ryan could have a 100% KO ratio. He could build a time machine and change mathematics as we know it and have a 500000% KO Ratio. That is totally irrelevant to the FACT that what Ryan did to Haney in their fight was UNDER THE ASSISTANCE of PEDs. You, me, the guy on front row, mystic meg, NOBODY KNOWS what Ryan would do to Haney without them. That. Is. A. FACT.

We also know that Devin was easily outboxing Ryan even though Ryan had traces of Ostarine in his system. The guy tested positive so the fight result was nulled. They might fight against each other again in October and the outcome will more than likely depend on how Devin fights Ryan. If he tries to trade with Ryan, he'll be busting out the kick worm moves again. If he boxes him smartly, he should easily get UD win.

.....Again....IRRELEVANT.

Haney could have hypothetically won every second of every round of that fight even though Garcia was on PEDs. That STILL doesn't change the FACT that all we know from that fight is what Garcia can do to Haney ON PEDs.

I don't know why you would think the fact Haney won rounds vs an assisted version of Garcia somehow magically means Garcia wasn't assisted. We KNOW he was. It's a literal objective fact. What he can do vs Haney unassisted is currently unknown. Also a fact.

[LarryMerchant'sBottle]

Am I not speaking English or something here? I have literally already addressed, and answered these exact points already multiple times and you're now just repeating the same thing again that I have already answered. What can I do to make it simpler?




Ok....AND? So what?

What is the point you're attempting to make there and how does it change the fact that when these two men fought Ryan Garcia WAS ON PEDs so what he did to Haney in that fight was whilst ON PEDs?

Yes I'm sure Garcia could hurt Haney without the assistance of PEDs. So what?!?! It's irrelevant what he hypothetically could or couldn't do. All we KNOW is what he can do ON PEDs. How do I make this simpler? Tell me.

Ryan could have a 100% KO ratio. He could build a time machine and change mathematics as we know it and have a 500000% KO Ratio. That is totally irrelevant to the FACT that what Ryan did to Haney in their fight was UNDER THE ASSISTANCE of PEDs. You, me, the guy on front row, mystic meg, NOBODY KNOWS what Ryan would do to Haney without them. That. Is. A. FACT.



.....Again....IRRELEVANT.

Haney could have hypothetically won every second of every round of that fight even though Garcia was on PEDs. That STILL doesn't change the FACT that all we know from that fight is what Garcia can do to Haney ON PEDs.

I don't know why you would think the fact Haney won rounds vs an assisted version of Garcia somehow magically means Garcia wasn't assisted. We KNOW he was. It's a literal objective fact. What he can do vs Haney unassisted is currently unknown. Also a fact.

Don't know what you're on about, I'm not stating or implying that Ryan didn't test positive for Ostarine. I'm just stating facts! Ryan knocked out most of his opponents with his left hook. Ryan always had and will always have a puncher's chance at beating everyone at 147 and below. Devin is a better boxer than Ryan and was giving Ryan a boxing lesson until he started trading with him and was caught multiple times by the same punch over and over.

Don't know what's so hard to understand about what I'm saying. You disagree with what I'm saying? Fine by me, disagree all you want...

[IronDanHamza]

Don't know what you're on about, I'm not stating or implying that Ryan didn't test positive for Ostarine.

Right, indeed he did.

Which means, what he did in his fight vs Haney, was under the assistance of PEDs. You're understanding that part too, correct?

I'm just stating facts! Ryan knocked out most of his opponents with his left hook.

Indeed that is a fact.

Unsure what your point is though.

Ryan always had and will always have a puncher's chance at beating everyone at 147 and below.

I'm sure he does.

Again unsure on what your point is, though.

Devin is a better boxer than Ryan and was giving Ryan a boxing lesson until he started trading with him and was caught multiple times by the same punch over and over.

Running theme here but unsure on what your point is here.

Don't know what's so hard to understand about what I'm saying. You disagree with what I'm saying? Fine by me, disagree all you want...

Well I've literally already addressed these exact points and why they have NO relevance to Ryan Garcia's fight with Devin Haney whereby he was assisted by PEDs therefore anything he did in that fight was aided by that unfair advantage. You seem insistent on then repeating the same point again, so what reason, I'm unsure.

I don't agree or disagree, I've already said whatever anything thinks is irrelevant. All that's relevant here is whatever Garcia was able to do to Haney in their fight they had was under the assistance of PEDs. Nobody has any idea how Garcia would be vs Haney in that fight without that assistance.

[LarryMerchant'sBottle]

Right, indeed he did.

Which means, what he did in his fight vs Haney, was under the assistance of PEDs. You're understand that part too, correct?




Indeed that is a fact.

Unsure what your point is though.



I'm sure he does.

Again unsure on what your point is, though.




Running theme here but unsure on what your point is here.



Well I've literally already addressed these exact points and why they have NO relevance to Ryan Garcia's fight with Devin Haney whereby he was assisted by PEDs therefore anything he did in that fight was aided by that unfair advantage. You seem insistent on then repeating the same point again, so what reason, I'm unsure.

I don't agree or disagree, I've already said whatever anything thinks is irrelevant. All that's relevant here is whatever Garcia was able to do to Haney in their fight they had was under the assistance of PEDs. Nobody has any idea how Garcia would be vs Haney in that fight without that assistance.

Much more assisted Ryan that night! Ryan's left hook, Devin's inability to avoid Ryan's left and a combination of what Ryan had for breakfast, lunch and dinner. An athlete's meals on day of, are vital to an athlete's performance on that day. After all, without them meals in his system, we wouldn't know how he would have performed against Devin.

Derrick's instructions also assisted Ryan that night as well. I remember hearing Derrick tell Ryan before the first knock down to set up that left hook with the one, two. If you re-watch that fight, you'll notice seconds before the left that dropped Devin, Ryan shoots a jab followed by a hard right that catches Devin. A few seconds later, Ryan fires that jab again and Devin raises his left hand anticipating the right cross and keeps his right hand low, but gets caught solidly with Ryan's left hook.

You feel that the only relevant factor in that fight were the traces of Ostarine that were found in Ryan's system, I believe that other factors in the fight were relevant as well.

[IronDanHamza]

Much more assisted Ryan that night! Ryan's left hook, Devin's inability to avoid Ryan's left and a combination of what Ryan had for breakfast, lunch and dinner. An athlete's meals on day of, are vital to an athlete's performance on that day. After all, without them meals in his system, we wouldn't know how he would have performed against Devin.

Yes...WHILST ON PEDs. We don't know if he can do that to Haney without that. All we know is what he can do, with that. I feel like I may have said this like 10 times at this point.

Derrick's instructions also assisted Ryan that night as well. I remember hearing Derrick tell Ryan before the first knock down to set up that left hook with the one, two. If you re-watch that fight, you'll notice seconds before the left that dropped Devin, Ryan shoots a jab followed by a hard right that catches Devin. A few seconds later, Ryan fires that jab again and Devin raises his left hand anticipating the right cross and keeps his right hand low, but gets caught solidly with Ryan's left hook.

Yes...WHILST ON PEDs. You understand that he was ON PEDs in this fight? You say you do but it's as if you don't. You keep repeating points that have zero relevance.

It seems that part isn't com*****g. Derrik James advice could have been the best advice in the history of boxing, THE perfect game plan. It's IRRELEVANT because we don't know if he could fulfil that gameplan without the assistance of PEDs, all we know is that he could, with them.

You feel that the only relevant factor in that fight were the traces of Ostarine that were found in Ryan's system, I believe that other factors in the fight were relevant as well.

Ok, again, never said it was the only relevant factor. There are probably 100 or more "factors."

The other 99+ don't change the fact that Ryan Garcia was on PEDs for that fight and we do not know how any of those other factors would have played out if he wasn't under the assistance of them.

I cannot make this easier, honestly. If you are going to reply with something stupid and irrelevant to the point such as "But Devin drops his hands" or "Ryan's gameplan was amazing" then just don't even bother. I can't keep repeating the same thing over and over again.

It is very fuckin simple dude, Ryan Garcia when he fought Devin Haney was under the (unfair) assistance of PEDs. ANYTHING he did in that fight was whilst under the assistance of PEDs. NOBODY walking this planet knows anything other than what Garcia is capable of doing to Haney whilst on PEDs, and never will, and that is a categorical fact.

[champion4ever]

Much more assisted Ryan that night! Ryan's left hook, Devin's inability to avoid Ryan's left and a combination of what Ryan had for breakfast, lunch and dinner. An athlete's meals on day of, are vital to an athlete's performance on that day. After all, without them meals in his system, we wouldn't know how he would have performed against Devin.

Derrick's instructions also assisted Ryan that night as well. I remember hearing Derrick tell Ryan before the first knock down to set up that left hook with the one, two. If you re-watch that fight, you'll notice seconds before the left that dropped Devin, Ryan shoots a jab followed by a hard right that catches Devin. A few seconds later, Ryan fires that jab again and Devin raises his left hand anticipating the right cross and keeps his right hand low, but gets caught solidly with Ryan's left hook.

You feel that the only relevant factor in that fight were the traces of Ostarine that were found in Ryan's system, I believe that other factors in the fight were relevant as well.

The fact of the matter is there should have never been any trace amounts of ostarine in his system period. That was blatant cheating.

Which is the reason why the two agreed to have random VADA drug testing in the first place. In order to deter each other from doping.

I have to admit that Ryan set himself up beautifully. He walked himself right into the trap that was of his own making. No one is to blame here but Ryan Garcia himself.

I just wonder what tbe Hell he was thinking taking that shit? He had to know he was gong to get busted doing it.

[champion4ever]

Nah Haney was even Saying Ryan wasn’t taking the fight serious that even Haney fans thought it was gonna be easy work I picked Haney to win too
but Haney a bigger fraud than i thought

Which meant that Ryan was a lot sicker than most of us had originally thought. Who would have known he would have sunken to this new low?

The fact of the matter is that Gervonta ‘Tank’ Davis fight ruined him. It left him both mentally and permanently mind fucked forever. He has not been the same fighter since.

[LarryMerchant'sBottle]

The fact of the matter is there should have never been any trace amounts of ostarine in his system period. That was blatant cheating.

Which is the reason why the two agreed to have random VADA drug testing in the first place. In order to deter each other from doping.

I have to admit that Ryan set himself up beautifully. He walked himself right into the trap that was of his own making. No one is to blame here but Ryan Garcia himself.

I just wonder what tbe Hell he was thinking taking that shit? He had to know he was gong to get busted doing it.

Blatant indeed!

I don't think the VADA testing is to deter Devin from doping, that man puts in hard work at the gym every time. Aside from the courage and heart it took for him to finish the Ryan fight on his feet, it took great conditioning. I don't think I've seen Devin looking out of shape or struggling condition wise in the latter part of any fight.