TBud: Manny Stopped Using Steroids and Stopped Getting Knockouts

[hugh grant]

No he didn’t. He lost to Morales. Drew with JMM. Got robbed in the Bradley fight. He did rematch Barrera who he beat. He refused a Shane rematch.

You come as a mentally challenged pole smoker posting 10-2, 10-2, 9-3 is a controversial win.

louis is as older than schmelling and out of his prime. Just like Ali and Spinks. We know this is why the historically better boxers lost. They weren’t better . It was the context of the fight.

Floyd v Manny is not the same context. Floyd was older they were both out of prime. Floyd is just better. Always was.

I will agree with everyone but Floyd and maybe JMM.

Pac best everyone he rematched, why did floyd deny pac. It was clear win for floyd on judges cards but it was competitive, floyd said pac was the best he fought, so go figure?
You say pac isn't better than jmm, yet pac had 3 wins over jm m if not scorecard error and much better resume, and even jmm said pac was greater? jmm knew he was probably pac s kryptonite, but it took many fights to realise that.
Floyd dodged too many rematches and fights to fully understand who his kryptonite was. That's why Floyd's a mystery

[ruskate6]

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[TheProudLunatic]

Pac best everyone he rematched,

Did not rematch HORN, doe
Would only rematch Cotto if another clause was agreed on
Life and death (mostly death) vs JMM !!!!
3x vs Desert Breeze
2x vs shopworn Marco
3x vs slow, plodding, face first Erik

All of Pac's opps start to look alike after a while

[Haka]

Eh, not really. I don’t think you have,

You haven’t acknowledged that we know categorically what Floyd’s weight was for the Pacquaio fight and we know he didn’t cut weight for it even though you’ve previously tried to say that we don’t know.

You haven’t addressed the fact that there is not one logical reason Floyd would need an IV of that nature.

You haven’t addressed the very clear shadiness and flat out rule breaking by both Floyd and USADA after the illegal IV was discovered.

Consistency is key here, and just in life in general.

One thing is for sure, Crawford leaving off Pacquaio on a list on the basis of potential PED use and including Floyd is a very blatant double standard.

If consistency is key, then why weigh in at 155 against Logan, when slightly fat and out of shape, whilst being less than 155 walk around fully muscular in prime ? Remember that you lose muscle as you age and muscle weighs more than fat. Also there are no documented fight night weights after 2005 except the Logan fight that I know of.

[IronDanHamza]

I don’t have to. We also know weight isn’t a major factor in dehydration. Vomitting, poor Fluid intake, heavy physical activity, etc. you can dehydrate at any weight.

For example I read dark urine is a symptom of being dehydrated. Remember that root beer colored piss.

So again, you make solid points. But that doesn’t mean you are correct. As I said I see your point. You say he’s suspect. Ok we disagree.

That isn’t a double standard. I think he knows dehydration is a real possibility.

He is suspect and that isn’t even debatable. Thats first and foremost. He’s not only suspect he’s extremely suspect.

Also for you to just say weight isn’t a major factor in dehydration. What do you mean by that? By weight do you mean weight cutting? Because that is THE major factor. Fighters and athletes get to the level of dehydration to the point they need an IV literally because they are cutting weight so aggressively that they are depleting themselves to massively reducing water intake. If you aren’t cutting substantial amounts of weight there is no reason for an athlete to be dehydrated at all because their water intake is optimal, let alone dehydrated to the point they need a banned IV of 750 ML.

You aren’t acknowledging his 30 day weigh in of 150.5 because the argument then implodes. A 150 lb man has zero chance of being severely dehydrated for a 147 lb fight. Thats a fact.

And it is quite literally a double standard. Floyd is just as su****ious as Pacquauo. You can’t leave one out on that basis and not the other if you’re being honest and consistent.

[IronDanHamza]

If consistency is key, then why weigh in at 155 against Logan, when slightly fat and out of shape, whilst being less than 155 walk around fully muscular in prime ? Remember that you lose muscle as you age and muscle weighs more than fat. Also there are no documented fight night weights after 2005 except the Logan fight that I know of.

Clueless and wrong as per usual.

There are a plethora of documented weights for Floyd post 2005;

HBO/Showtime In ring weights;

Judah - 146
Baldomir - 149
Ortiz - 150
Canelo - 150
Maidana 1 -148

30 day WBC weigh ins;

Guererro - 148
Maidana 2 - 150
Pacquauio - 150.5

So there’s a long list of documented fight night weights and 30 day weigh in weights.

Also the fact he weighed in at 155 out of shape vs Logan proves that point not the opposite dumbass.

[dan_cov]

Floyd never cut much weight at all, this is very well documented. Same with Bernard Hopkins, Carl Froch.
None ever blew up or yoyoed and had to cut a lot, they cut absolute minimal weight if anything at all.

So many fighters copy, mimic Floyd and even Bernard Hopkins but really its the discipline and lifestyle they should be copying.
Its not a coincidence all could take a punch, recover as well as anyone and had stamina for days.

[The Big Dunn]

I am not lying or defending anything.

Floyd wanted 14 day ost cutoff. When Manny said yes Floyd moved the goalposts to zero cutoff.

Apparently Floyd didn't want the fight.

You’re blatantly lying.

[The Big Dunn]

Pac best everyone he rematched, why did floyd deny pac. It was clear win for floyd on judges cards but it was competitive, floyd said pac was the best he fought, so go figure?
You say pac isn't better than jmm, yet pac had 3 wins over jm m if not scorecard error and much better resume, and even jmm said pac was greater? jmm knew he was probably pac s kryptonite, but it took many fights to realise that.
Floyd dodged too many rematches and fights to fully understand who his kryptonite was. That's why Floyd's a mystery

Manny mostly rematched because he lost or drew and was the a side fighter in those matches. Stop pretending he won and then just decided to be generous.

Lost to Morales. Lost to Tim. Drew with JMM. Yes he beat Barrera.

You don’t rematch clear wins often. Like asking Manny to rematch Hatton. You just want Manny to get a chance to rematch desperately hoping he will win because he lost by such a wide margin.

[The Big Dunn]

He ok'd 14 days refused 0 days and Floyd was happy to walk away because he got the outcome he was looking for because he didn't want a fight in 2009

More blatant lying. He ok’d it after Floyd took it off the table. Manny refusing was because he didn’t want the fight. How do we all know this?

He went on to refuse the fight again, choosing to fight JMM for much less money.