TBud: Manny Stopped Using Steroids and Stopped Getting Knockouts

[Haka]

Clueless and wrong as per usual.

There are a plethora of documented weights for Floyd post 2005;

HBO/Showtime In ring weights;

Judah - 146
Baldomir - 149
Ortiz - 150
Canelo - 150
Maidana 1 -148

30 day WBC weigh ins;

Guererro - 148
Maidana 2 - 150
Pacquauio - 150.5

So there’s a long list of documented fight night weights and 30 day weigh in weights.

Also the fact he weighed in at 155 out of shape vs Logan proves that point not the opposite dumbass.

There are no official numbers for those fights night weights, for example when it came to light that Haney went above the rehydration limit of the California State Athletic Commission, the numbers became public. Those 30 day out weight cut may be a rehearsal for the actual weight cut. After retirement you are bound to lose muscle mass while not training at that intensity anymore, especially as you age. Based on that a slightly higher weight of around 160 instead of 155 would be logical.

[The Big Dunn]

He is suspect and that isn’t even debatable. Thats first and foremost. He’s not only suspect he’s extremely suspect.

Also for you to just say weight isn’t a major factor in dehydration. What do you mean by that? By weight do you mean weight cutting? Because that is THE major factor. Fighters and athletes get to the level of dehydration to the point they need an IV literally because they are cutting weight so aggressively that they are depleting themselves to massively reducing water intake. If you aren’t cutting substantial amounts of weight there is no reason for an athlete to be dehydrated at all because their water intake is optimal, let alone dehydrated to the point they need a banned IV of 750 ML.

You aren’t acknowledging his 30 day weigh in of 150.5 because the argument then implodes. A 150 lb man has zero chance of being severely dehydrated for a 147 lb fight. Thats a fact.

And it is quite literally a double standard. Floyd is just as su****ious as Pacquauo. You can’t leave one out on that basis and not the other if you’re being honest and consistent.

I said you can get dehydrated no matter how much you weigh. Weight cutting is not the only way an athlete gets dehydrated.

I already acknowledged it. You are only associating dehydration with weight cutting. Then you claim his weight is proof that he couldn’t be dehydrated. That is not a medical fact. That is your opinion.

Of course you can. Just because Manny might be guilty doesn’t mean another boxer is. The Manny fans literally did same when they claimed JMM’s back acne was proof of his PED use but Manny’s back acne wasn’t.

If you feel Floyd is suspect fine. My pushback is really against the pole smokers that keep making excuses for his losing.

[IronDanHamza]

There are no official numbers for those fights night weights, for example when it came to light that Haney went above the rehydration limit of the California State Athletic Commission, the numbers became public. Those 30 day out weight cut may be a rehearsal for the actual weight cut. After retirement you are bound to lose muscle mass while not training at that intensity anymore, especially as you age. Based on that a slightly higher weight of around 160 instead of 155 would be logical.

Erm , yes they are. They’re all in ring weights recorded by Showtime and HBO, the same as every other in ring weight they have ever done for any fighter ever.

And the official 30 day weigh in weights by the WBC.

Rehearsal for the actual weight? Are you a literal retard? What do you mean “rehearsal?”

[IronDanHamza]

I said you can get dehydrated no matter how much you weigh. Weight cutting is not the only way an athlete gets dehydrated.

I already acknowledged it. You are only associating dehydration with weight cutting. Then you claim his weight is proof that he couldn’t be dehydrated. That is not a medical fact. That is your opinion.

Of course you can. Just because Manny might be guilty doesn’t mean another boxer is. The Manny fans literally did same when they claimed JMM’s back acne was proof of his PED use but Manny’s back acne wasn’t.

If you feel Floyd is suspect fine. My pushback is really against the pole smokers that keep making excuses for his losing.

Weight cutting IS THE reason. Thats why fighters get dehydrated because they have to drastically decrease water intake sometimes in entirety. If they don’t have to cut weight then they don’t have to reduce water thus won’t be dehydrated to the extent a 500ml bottle of water won’t fix.

No athlete is going to require a 750 ml IV if they’re not weight cutting. It’s as plain and simple as that. The fact he was caught using one is so glaringly suspect.

I said it’s proof he’s not depleted to the point he needs an IV yes, that’s a fact. A 150 lb man making 147 is not going to require a 750 ml IV. It doesn’t even make one grain of sense.

You really can’t. With everything we have on the table, you can’t disqualify Pacquaio and include Floyd for that reason without it being an obvious double standard. Floyd has more shady behaviour around potential PED use than Pacquaio does. If you’re consistent then it’s one or the other.

[Haka]

Erm , yes they are. They’re all in ring weights recorded by Showtime and HBO, the same as every other in ring weight they have ever done for any fighter ever.

And the official 30 day weigh in weights by the WBC.

Rehearsal for the actual weight? Are you a literal retard? What do you mean “rehearsal?”

From what I've seen there is no official documentation from a commission like the CSAC or some sort on these weights.

[IronDanHamza]

From what I've seen there is no official documentation from a commission like the CSAC or some sort on these weights.

Because you’re an idiot.

They are the IN RING HBO/SHOWTIME weights.

The exact same as any in ring HBO/Showtime weighs that there has ever been in the history of the sport.

In Ring weights are unofficial moron, they were weighed in on the night by the broadcaster (HBO/Showtime or whoever else). .

[hugh grant]

Manny mostly rematched because he lost or drew and was the a side fighter in those matches. Stop pretending he won and then just decided to be generous.

Lost to Morales. Lost to Tim. Drew with JMM. Yes he beat Barrera.

You don’t rematch clear wins often. Like asking Manny to rematch Hatton. You just want Manny to get a chance to rematch desperately hoping he will win because he lost by such a wide margin.

There was supposed to be a rematch. If Floyd lost to Pac, Floyd wouldve expected a rematch. Floyd should rematch guys who will likely be higher ATGS than himself or his biggest rivals, or biggest name opponents. FLoyd shoulve rematched DLH and Pac. And Nelo too come to think of it. Nelo will likely end up higher ATG than Floyd too, and FLoyd fought the weakest version of Nelo and prime Nel o beats any version of floyd.

History shows us no matter how easy a first fight was won, rematches dont go the same way. How are we supposed to see who floyds kriptonite was? If FLoyd dont rematch at least fight toughest opponents available and Floyd never even did that too.
Okay, we understand you floyd if you dont want to rematch DLH, Pac and Nelo, as you want to fight GGG, Spence, THurman, Brook, Bradley. But no, we get Berto and Maidana and Connor Mcgregor.

[hugh grant]

Weight cutting IS THE reason. Thats why fighters get dehydrated because they have to drastically decrease water intake sometimes in entirety. If they don’t have to cut weight then they don’t have to reduce water thus won’t be dehydrated to the extent a 500ml bottle of water won’t fix.

No athlete is going to require a 750 ml IV if they’re not weight cutting. It’s as plain and simple as that. The fact he was caught using one is so glaringly suspect.

I said it’s proof he’s not depleted to the point he needs an IV yes, that’s a fact. A 150 lb man making 147 is not going to require a 750 ml IV. It doesn’t even make one grain of sense.

You really can’t. With everything we have on the table, you can’t disqualify Pacquaio and include Floyd for that reason without it being an obvious double standard. Floyd has more shady behaviour around potential PED use than Pacquaio does. If you’re consistent then it’s one or the other.

You sound fair, i thought you was a floyd boy not long ago. I guess you can be a fan of floyd and be reasonable too. Well done.

[Haka]

Because you’re an idiot.

They are the IN RING HBO/SHOWTIME weights.

The exact same as any in ring HBO/Showtime weighs that there has ever been in the history of the sport.

In Ring weights are unofficial moron, they were weighed in on the night by the broadcaster (HBO/Showtime or whoever else). .

I'm not sure if there is any shred of evidence of a legitimate number that is not based on rumours. You are aware of the fact that Floyd was able to dictate the terms so that Maidana was under no circumstance to be able to fight with his usual Cleto horsehair shoes or the fight would be flagged off and everyone had to go home. Those numbers can all be filled in a form if one party has that much negotiation power. I go with logic that when you weigh in 155 when you are out of shape and in your 40s, then you must be of higher weight and more muscle mass in prime i.e. end up at around 160.

[QueensburyRules]

I said you can get dehydrated no matter how much you weigh. Weight cutting is not the only way an athlete gets dehydrated.

I already acknowledged it. You are only associating dehydration with weight cutting. Then you claim his weight is proof that he couldn’t be dehydrated. That is not a medical fact. That is your opinion.

Of course you can. Just because Manny might be guilty doesn’t mean another boxer is. The Manny fans literally did same when they claimed JMM’s back acne was proof of his PED use but Manny’s back acne wasn’t.

If you feel Floyd is suspect fine. My pushback is really against the pole smokers that keep making excuses for his losing.

- - It's a FACT that TBE TUE illegally used a TUE before the fight without authorization.

His crooked Vegas Commish granted him a 2 week backdated TUE exemption so the big players could collect their bets. They also had to alter the official scorecards to complete the crooked Payouts...

Irrefutable no matter how dumbo U is...