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  • #61
    Originally posted by famicommander View Post

    Their history is incompetence, corruption, and disgrace. Just because something is old doesn't mean it's worth preserving.

    Lineage? They destroyed their own lineages with all their fake belts and stunts like demoting a champion so Tank Davis could fight a bum for a vacant belt.

    For decades they've just done whatever promoters like King, Haymon, or Hearn told them to do. They are not just worthless, they are actively harmful to the public image of the sport. The WBA is one of the primary reasons why people think boxing is a joke and nobody can tell you who the real champion is in most divisions.
    It’s still a belt that Ali, Leonard, Hearns, Hagler, Duran, Tyson, Holyfield, Lewis, Roy, B-Hop, Oscar, Floyd, Manny etc all held.

    Did you ever box as as a kid? When I was a kid I dreamt of holding the WBC, WBA title etc because my favourite fighters did.

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    • #62
      Originally posted by RJJ-94-02=GOAT View Post
      It’s a fair point. Chisora is on a better run than he was when he fought Fury and it’s also a mandatory tbf to Dubois. The IBF rankings and rules again have to be questioned. How can Chisora-Wallin be a final eliminator? That’s the bigger question for me.





      Dubois, the gay looking man with a billy goat style, will use head butts and low blows if he is pressed by Chisora. But Chisora is old, overweight and in decline so if won't happen.

      This is a crap title defense by the IBF. I have little interest in watching it.​

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      • #63
        Originally posted by RJJ-94-02=GOAT View Post

        It’s still a belt that Ali, Leonard, Hearns, Hagler, Duran, Tyson, Holyfield, Lewis, Roy, B-Hop, Oscar, Floyd, Manny etc all held.

        Did you ever box as as a kid? When I was a kid I dreamt of holding the WBC, WBA title etc because my favourite fighters did.
        Golovkin, Klitschko, Mayweather. Beterbiev, Bivol, Lewis, Hearns, Toney, Tarver, Hopkins, Jones, Pascal, Lara, Pacquiao, Hatton, etc. all held the IBO world title. Does that make it worth preserving, or does the rest of the history of the IBO make it a joke?

        Once you taint something there is no going back. The WBA surrendered their credibility and it's gone forever. They have done more harm than good for decades and the entire sport would be much better off if they never existed to begin with. If just the WBC existed and not the WBA, we would've lost nothing. If some other organization existed rather than either of them, nothing would have changed either. They are interchangeable.
        Last edited by famicommander; 04-02-2025, 11:39 AM.
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        • #64
          Originally posted by Dr Z View Post






          Dubois, the gay looking man with a billy goat style, will use head butts and low blows if he is pressed by Chisora. But Chisora is old, overweight and in decline so if won't happen.

          This is a crap title defense by the IBF. I have little interest in watching it.​
          It was hilarious when Dubois exposed Hrgovic as the big stiff I always told you he was.

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          • #65
            Originally posted by famicommander View Post

            Golovkin, Klitschko, Mayweather. Beterbiev, Bivol, Lewis, Hearns, Toney, Tarver, Hopkins, Jones, Pascal, Lara, Pacquiao, Hatton, etc. all held the IBO world title. Does that make it worth preserving, or does the rest of the history of the IBO make it a joke?

            Once you taint something there is no going back. The WBA surrendered their credibility and it's gone forever. They have done more harm than good for decades and the entire sport would be much better off if they never existed to begin with. If just the WBC existed and not the WBA, we would've lost nothing. If some other organization existed rather than either of them, nothing would have changed either. They are interchangeable.
            This is a real desperate reach.

            The IBO have a place in boxing but they’re not of the same value as the WBC or WBA.

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            • #66
              Originally posted by RJJ-94-02=GOAT View Post

              This is a real desperate reach.

              The IBO have a place in boxing but they’re not of the same value as the WBC or WBA.
              It's not a reach at all. You have made absolutely zero coherent arguments for why the WBA should exist. If they never existed at all, nothing would change. If some other random three letter organization existed instead of them, nothing would change. If it weren't a WBA belt all your favorites as a kid held it would've been some other belt. Who the hell cares?

              The WBA does nothing except add confusion and draw criticism to the sport. Everyone in the world agrees there are too many ridiculous belts but you don't actually want anything done about it because of nostalgia. That is, in the literal sense of the word, holding back the progress of the sport. Refusing a change for the better because you can't let go of an image of the WBA that died in the 1980s.

              Abolish the WBA, WBC, IBF, WBO, IBO, and Ring tomorrow. The world would be a much, much better place.
              Last edited by famicommander; 04-02-2025, 12:26 PM.
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              • #67
                Originally posted by RJJ-94-02=GOAT View Post

                It was hilarious when Dubois exposed Hrgovic as the big stiff I always told you he was.
                He did nothing of the sort. Hrgovic underestimated him, was winning the fight, then he got cut and Dubois fouled with his head butts. Check the video, you will see I am correct.

                Let this be a waring to him to be in shape and never underestimate a puncher.

                Anyway, Hrgovic fights the man who TKO'd Dubos next.

                After that he is back in the mix.

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by famicommander View Post

                  It's not a reach at all. You have made absolutely zero coherent arguments for why the WBA should exist. If they never existed at all, nothing would change. If some other random three letter organization existed instead of them, nothing would change. If it weren't a WBA belt all your favorites as a kid held it would've been some other belt. Who the hell cares?

                  The WBA does nothing except add confusion and draw criticism to the sport. Everyone in the world agrees there are too many ridiculous belts but you don't actually want anything done about it because of nostalgia. That is, in the literal sense of the word, holding back the progress of the sport. Refusing a change for the better because you can't let go of an image of the WBA that died in the 1980s.

                  Abolish the WBA, WBC, IBF, WBO, IBO, and Ring tomorrow. The world would be a much, much better place.
                  History and lineage. You keep crying about it but it is what it is.

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by Dr Z View Post

                    He did nothing of the sort. Hrgovic underestimated him, was winning the fight, then he got cut and Dubois fouled with his head butts. Check the video, you will see I am correct.

                    Let this be a waring to him to be in shape and never underestimate a puncher.

                    Anyway, Hrgovic fights the man who TKO'd Dubos next.

                    After that he is back in the mix.
                    He massively exposed him. Do you still think Hrgovic beats Usyk?
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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by RJJ-94-02=GOAT View Post

                      History and lineage. You keep crying about it but it is what it is.
                      Again, you're ignoring that their history is corruption, incompetence, and disgrace. You're ignoring that they've made their own lineages worthless.

                      Your argument boils down to the fact that the WBA is old. So what? They have done absolutely nothing in the last four decades to be worthy of preservation. They have done far, far more harm than good.

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