Let’s call a spade a spade… Is Bivol “ducking” Benavidez?

[Smash]

How is Sulaiman not making as much as he wants? Bivol is under contract to pay the WBC a percentage of his purse when he fights for the WBC belt... Sulaiman is getting his cut no matter what. The only way Sulaiman loses money is if Bivol dumps the strap. If you're saying that Turki is paying money out the back end, I wouldn't argue that because for all I know it might be true. But it hasn't been proven to be a fact. If he were doing that, he'd be undermining everybody, not just Sulaiman.....

well logically suliclown gets a cut from bivol for the wbc strap on the line

but suliclown has put out this 2.7 mil figure as bivols pay as thats the figure he took his cut from for the strap

this pay is just bivols guaranteed purse that is what we are arguing and his true pay is higher we are arguing and u are saying no its not its his final purse

u do know that boxers hate paying these sanctioning fees and this setup suits them just fine

suliclown is not happy with turki is possible and now hes yapping about this figure and also bring up benny as well hes doing this for his own reasons and should just really keep his gob shut i would say

[icha]

bivol just fought beter twice, he should be able to fight whoever the f**k he wants next... calling it a duck is pain BS..

[Citizen Koba]

Sulaiman benefits either way. If Turki is paying Bivol $10 million to face Beterbiev, he benefits more than he would for Bivol only fighting for $8 million. If Turki is paying more than PBC, Sulaiman doesn't care and would rather Bivol fight Beterbiev than Benavidez. Sulaiman is not gonna strip Bivol for taking a higher purse that benefits Sulaiman himself. It's just business to him. Why would he threaten to strip Bivol if it's gonna benefit the WBC financially??

Unless you're suggesting that PBC or Benavidez is gonna make up the financial loss the WBC would take by forcing Bivol to take less money to fight Benavidez. It's pretty simple. The WBC makes more money from whoever pays Bivol the most. That's why Sulaiman never stripped Ginger of his title because he was making money from Ginger's fights. Sulaiman isn't stripping Bivol for making more money fighting Beterbiev, he'd be a fool to do so...

It's bigger though ain't it? Sanctioning fees are only a tiny part of the revenue generated from boxing. Maurico and the WBC have backs to scratch within the US and Mexican gaming, broadcasting and entertainment industries (and undoubtedly receive the expected kickbacks and quid pro quos) who would all make exponentially more money off a US / Mexican star than they do off a Kyrgyz-Russian fighting in Saudi Arabia. Boxing ain't really a sport it's a just a massive money making machine disguised as a sport and all the sanctioning orgs are up to their necks in it. Naive to expect otherwise.

[Oracle01]

Did you actually just call Sulaiman a credible source? That guy lies constantly. And he's got skin in the game. Turki has already essentially declared war on the WBC, blocking Reynoso from bringing the WBC belt on stage. Sulaiman has a vested interest here that he would absolutely lie about.

Credible source on what? Purses? Sure why not? What is his vested interest in lying about purses and offers, that could get exposed easily? You think a sanctioning body President will just casually lie about specific purse numbers? This is not youtube. He was very specific with Bivols number. If there was one thing I would trust him on, is purse numbers.

You seem to give more trust to random websites which do not give any source, and even admit their numbers are speculative.

[LarryMerchant'sBottle]

well logically suliclown gets a cut from bivol for the wbc strap on the line

but suliclown has put out this 2.7 mil figure as bivols pay as thats the figure he took his cut from for the strap

this pay is just bivols guaranteed purse that is what we are arguing and his true pay is higher we are arguing and u are saying no its not its his final purse

u do know that boxers hate paying these sanctioning fees and this setup suits them just fin

suliclown is not happy with turki is possible and now hes yapping about this figure and also bring up benny as well hes doing this for his own reasons and should just really keep his gob shut i would say

You got to check out the podcast to know how the topic and conversation came about, Sulaiman didn't just put it out there because he was angry or to talk down on Bivol nor Turki. It's a podcast that he was a guest on and boxing fans, as well as the host, asked him questions about all sorts of things. The particular topic was only about a minute or so out of the entire segment.

From my understanding the WBC gets a percentage of the total purse of the fighter, not just the guarantee. I'm open to being wrong and don't mind being proven wrong with actual facts, not opinions.

Yes, boxers hate paying the sanctioning fees and as a fan, I too hate that they pay sanctioning fees too, but it is what it is. But the more the boxer makes, whether it be from Turki or freaking Eddie Hearn, the WBC is gonna get their cut no matter what, and the more the fighter makes, the bigger WBC's cut is. If Sulaiman is a greedy f-uck, which we know he is, he's gonna want Bivol to get the most out of fighting anyone, no matter who the promoter or or even Organizer is, period. It's just business to him...

[Smash]

From my understanding the WBC gets a percentage of the total purse of the fighter, not just the guarantee. I'm open to being wrong and don't mind being proven wrong with actual facts, not opinions.
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well if thats correct then everyone on that saudi card just got paid their listed fees, bivol and beter 2.7, shakur 1.5 mil etc lol anyone with a brain knows they are not the final pay they got, bivol the same as he got for turdo shakur half or less than he got for artem etc use your brain i would say!

[Oracle01]

Oh boy. You can't figure out the play there? Let's see, who loses out if Bivol drops the WBC belt to fight the trilogy with Beterbiev? Who benefits if he can try to force Bivol to take the WBC mandatory instead? Who benefits by driving the price up saying that there's an $8 million offer from PBC for a mandatory defense?
r?

You think Suliman lying about the 8m offer would drive up the price? lol. You live in cartoon world. What do suliman's words have to do with Bivol deciding to drop the belt?

You guys just refuse to accept evidence that opposes your world view, and only look at evidence that does. Confirmation bias. The 10m reports are admitted SPECULATION. The articles admit it. Worthless. Suliman is not speculating he is making a claim. Crawford is a much bigger star than Bivol and he only got 2.5m gtd for Madrimov yet you think Bivol got 10m. It makes no sense.

You were convinced Turki is the money man so you can't comprehend it was actually exaggerated, even after Turki admitted he could not match the offer for the Canelo Jake paul fight. Turki pays good, and very good for the HW's but all the evidence so far is that it's nothing as big as the hype.

[Oracle01]

Those are only two but a quick Google search repeats the same thing as the first one I posted from different writers

You should use this as a lesson in critical thinking. It does not matter if 50 sites report the same thing if none of them list sources and all admit to speculating.

This is from the marca report which most of the sites are referencing.

For this rematch, their numbers will rise considerably. It is true that there is still no official figure, but it is estimated that both will earn more than $10 million, which is not bad

This is worthless information. It's literally saying ESTIMATED, and you are running with it.

[Smash]

Turki pays good, and very good for the HW's but all the evidence so far is that it's nothing as big as the hype.

but 2.5 mil for bud is not good its poor

bud made 3 mil a fight with arum for his entire career almost and was not happy about it

and he was fighting easy fights as well

u think hes gone back on this amount with only a few fights left? makes no sense whatsoever

same with bivol he gets same a v turdo and shakur low pay

if all of that is true i would have a jaw drop and means that turki pays no bonus at all! boxing almost always has some post fight upside! especially for big names

[MulaKO]

You should use this as a lesson in critical thinking. It does not matter if 50 sites report the same thing if none of them list sources and all admit to speculating.

This is from the marca report which most of the sites are referencing.



This is worthless information. It's literally saying ESTIMATED, and you are running with it.

So true
Sulaiman is much more trustworthy character
He’s never lied before, right ???