Let’s call a spade a spade… Is Bivol “ducking” Benavidez?

[crimsonfalcon07]

How does Sulaiman benefit from lying about the numbers? Will fighters suddenly not accept fighting for Turki? The world knows that the Saudi government has endless money, lying about Bivol only earning $2.7 million doesn't hurt Turki nor benefit Sulaiman in any form. What's the agenda for stating that Bivol earned $2.7 million? He didn't follow up with an insult or a sinister laugh....

Oh boy. You can't figure out the play there? Let's see, who loses out if Bivol drops the WBC belt to fight the trilogy with Beterbiev? Who benefits if he can try to force Bivol to take the WBC mandatory instead? Who benefits by driving the price up saying that there's an $8 million offer from PBC for a mandatory defense?

If you want to believe Sulaiman, you have fun with that.

But there's numerous sources that demonstrate that Bivol made 5 million vs Canelo, and figures for other fights, such as v Lyndon Arthur, etc, are very consistent.

https://www.sportscasting.com/uk/new...-endorsements/

So if he's making 1.9 million v Arthur, and 2.5 million vs Zurdo, why would he be making as much or less to fight Beterbiev for undisputed? What's the logic there? And why are you dying on a hill for reports based entirely on claims made by one of the most dishonest people in all of boxing?

Another thing is that combat sports purses are generally higher than the officially disclosed numbers.

But you need to start thinking about whether the numbers you're floating to make sense. Why are these boxers fighting on Saudi if the numbers are that much lower? Why is it that the reports suggesting he only got between 2 and 3 million are all after Sulaiman made that claim and the prior reports are all saying they split a $20 million purse both times.

And here's what Benavidez' promoter says about the fight.

https://www.essentiallysports.com/bo...y-bivol-fight/

You see any mention at all of an $8 million offer coming from the guy who's supposed to have sent that offer?

[LarryMerchant'sBottle]

why is he even mentioning what he thinks people are earning in the first place? does he go around parroting what he thinks are other boxers wage packets? then he jumps on the benny fight like a piece of dog crap on a shoe and u are talking about a sinister laugh?

Bro, did you even check out the interview?? it's a great podcast segment with lots of great info... Check it out man, you'll enjoy it..

[Smash]

I quoted that article that falls in line with what Sulaiman claims that Bivol received against Beterbiev, which lines up with what Bud was guaranteed for his LA fight. The source I'm going with, as far as Bivol earning $2.7 million is Sulaiman's own words not an article. I brought up that article because another poster claimed that other articles had Bivol earning $10 million. Articles with phantom sources are just articles without an actual source. You believe articles without sources, cool! I prefer an actual source that is tied to the money. Not trying to convince you or anybody that I'm right, just what I'm going with and why.

As for Shakur, he declined a 5 fight deal with Arum for $15 million. Aside from the money, 5 fight contracts for Stars or potential stars is not wise, considering there were/are potential big fights ahead for Shakur. Eddie was able to convince him that he could make him more than $15 million for 3 fights, considering Eddie is/was tight with Turki.

Do you know the details of Shakur's deal with Eddie? How much he's guaranteed for each fight?? I doubt he made less than $3 million to fight on the 22nd of Feb..

shakur is listed in some sources as picking up 1.5 mil for saudi which if you are saying is true that is his final figure just like 2.7 mil is bivols final figure so do u think that either 1.5 mil or 2.2 mil is not shakurs final figure and that 2.7 mil is bivols final figure?

[Smash]

Bro, did you even check out the interview?? it's a great podcast segment with lots of great info... Check it out man, you'll enjoy it..

almost everything that comes out of that idiots gob is pure crap ive listened to enough of him over the years to know this for sure

[LarryMerchant'sBottle]

almost everything that comes out of that idiots gob is pure crap ive listened to enough of him over the years to know this for sure

lol... Bro you are debating details without even knowing what was said. I encourage you to check it out man, it was pretty good. The podcast wasn't about bad mouthing Turki or Bivol. The guy was on a podcast and was asked some pretty good questions and he just answered questions from boxing fans. I was pleasantly surprised and enjoyed it. I'm not a Sulaiman or WBC fanboy at all. Check it out bro...

[Smash]

So if he's making 1.9 million v Arthur, and 2.5 million vs Zurdo, why would he be making as much or less to fight Beterbiev for undisputed? What's the logic there? And why are you dying on a hill for reports based entirely on claims made by one of the most dishonest people in all of boxing?

lol

turki said hey bivol ok u got maybe 2.5 mil v zurdo tell u what i will give u a massive massive bonus on that just for undisputed v beter u ready for this??????? huh ok he it goes, i will pay u 200k more than that!!!!! u happy or what?? bivol bivol where are u going lol

[Smash]

But you need to start thinking about whether the numbers you're floating to make sense. Why are these boxers fighting on Saudi if the numbers are that much lower?
offer?

myself and mula have figured it out, they are going to saudi to ride the camels!

[LarryMerchant'sBottle]

shakur is listed in some sources as picking up 1.5 mil for saudi which if you are saying is true that is his final figure just like 2.7 mil is bivols final figure so do u think that either 1.5 mil or 2.2 mil is not shakurs final figure and that 2.7 mil is bivols final figure?

I haven't looked into what Shakur was paid nor do I care, but he does have a contract with Matchroom that guarantees him x amount of dollars. The only sources that matter in determining what a boxer made are those that stand to make money from the boxer's earnings. Who are the sources claiming Shakur made x amount?

If you are trying to tell me that Bivol made a side deal without informing his promoter or parties that are contractually bound by a legal document, I can't argue that because it is speculative, it's an opinion. I might agree and I might disagree, it's something that would never come out to light unless Bivol was sued for breaching his contract by withholding moneys owed to all parties that are due a percentage.

Why don't we argue actual details from legit sources that are involved in the actual dealings of the monies instead of personal opinions based on how we feel about a fighter, a promoter, freaking Sulaiman or phantom sources we read about in articles...

[Smash]

I haven't looked into what Shakur was paid nor do I care, but he does have a contract with Matchroom that guarantees him x amount of dollars. The only sources that matter in determining what a boxer made are those that stand to make money from the boxer's earnings. Who are the sources claiming Shakur made x amount?

If you are trying to tell me that Bivol made a side deal without informing his promoter or parties that are contractually bound by a legal document, I can't argue that because it is speculative, it's an opinion. I might agree and I might disagree, it's something that would never come out to light unless Bivol was sued for breaching his contract by withholding moneys owed to all parties that are due a percentage.

Why don't we argue actual details from legit sources that are involved in the actual dealings of the monies instead of personal opinions based on how we feel about a fighter, a promoter, freaking Sulaiman or phantom sources we read about in articles...

yeah ok lets all just believe these guys are heading all the way to saudi to make either the same or in some cases less and quite a bit less than they have done in the past that just makes perfect sense alrite and totally discount the system in boxing where u have the disclosed guarantee and the final figure but that doesnt happen on saudi cards even tho hes the richest guy who cares not for profit lol plus everyone wants on to these cards it seems just for the camels

dream on

bivol gets the same in saudi for an undisputed fight with beter than he got v turdo even tho turkey calls both bivol and beter his brothers, yeah thats one popular brother right there

shakur picking up half of what hes got in a recent fight as well, yeah sure i believe that one too

but thats what the listing says right? so it has to be right? lol

[LarryMerchant'sBottle]

Oh boy. You can't figure out the play there? Let's see, who loses out if Bivol drops the WBC belt to fight the trilogy with Beterbiev? Who benefits if he can try to force Bivol to take the WBC mandatory instead? Who benefits by driving the price up saying that there's an $8 million offer from PBC for a mandatory defense?

If you want to believe Sulaiman, you have fun with that.

But there's numerous sources that demonstrate that Bivol made 5 million vs Canelo, and figures for other fights, such as v Lyndon Arthur, etc, are very consistent.

https://www.sportscasting.com/uk/new...-endorsements/

So if he's making 1.9 million v Arthur, and 2.5 million vs Zurdo, why would he be making as much or less to fight Beterbiev for undisputed? What's the logic there? And why are you dying on a hill for reports based entirely on claims made by one of the most dishonest people in all of boxing?

Another thing is that combat sports purses are generally higher than the officially disclosed numbers.

But you need to start thinking about whether the numbers you're floating to make sense. Why are these boxers fighting on Saudi if the numbers are that much lower? Why is it that the reports suggesting he only got between 2 and 3 million are all after Sulaiman made that claim and the prior reports are all saying they split a $20 million purse both times.

And here's what Benavidez' promoter says about the fight.

https://www.essentiallysports.com/bo...y-bivol-fight/

You see any mention at all of an $8 million offer coming from the guy who's supposed to have sent that offer?

Sulaiman benefits either way. If Turki is paying Bivol $10 million to face Beterbiev, he benefits more than he would for Bivol only fighting for $8 million. If Turki is paying more than PBC, Sulaiman doesn't care and would rather Bivol fight Beterbiev than Benavidez. Sulaiman is not gonna strip Bivol for taking a higher purse that benefits Sulaiman himself. It's just business to him. Why would he threaten to strip Bivol if it's gonna benefit the WBC financially??

Unless you're suggesting that PBC or Benavidez is gonna make up the financial loss the WBC would take by forcing Bivol to take less money to fight Benavidez. It's pretty simple. The WBC makes more money from whoever pays Bivol the most. That's why Sulaiman never stripped Ginger of his title because he was making money from Ginger's fights. Sulaiman isn't stripping Bivol for making more money fighting Beterbiev, he'd be a fool to do so...