Why did Fury struggle with Wallin?

[Nash out]

The bad cut to the eye in round 2 made the fight seem more dramatic than it was. Fury won at least 9 rounds in reality under tough circumstances. Prime Fury never lost. Completely over the hill for the 2 Usyk fights and a couple before them, but still so good he is still 2nd best in the world, but it's the time of Hughie Fury to be HW King now. Nash out - His Majesty

[NihonJim]

Because Wallin who was no better than a bottom level top ten heavyweight the best exposed Fury's lack of ability. Fury's career is built upon fighting stiffs, old men, and fat meatballs, while cheating with PED's and fouling and being deducted points five times in five separate fights. All of the above is true. He also had the judges incorrectly award him as the winner in one of the fat John McDermott fights.


Now Fury has some ability as is / was a top 5 heavyweight ( I say 3 or 4 ) in his era / timeline of 2017-2025.

I still can't figure out fury's level.

He's able to school Chisora, who is better than the Wallin, Takam and guys of that ilk, but then he struggles with Wallin. He's pretty competitive with Usyk who is possibly the GOAT but has life and death with Ngannou.

He's a strange case indeed.

[kafkod]

The samples were taken between February and March 2015, ahead of the Klitschko fight.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/20...est-nandrolone

https://inews.co.uk/sport/boxing/tys...-doping-408719

That certainly could be because he had it in his system during the Hammer fight, but regardless, he had it in his system prior to the first fight and then immediately failed another test prior to the rematch, leading him to vacate the belts ahead of being stripped. He also accused Klitschko of trying to spike his water to make him fail a drug test for their fight. Do you really believe he was clean for the Klitschko fight?

I remember reading that guardian article. It was written in a very deceptive and sensationalist way: "The samples were taken between February and March 2015, ahead of the Klitschko fight."

What the heck is "between Feb and March" supposed to mean? There is literally nothing between Feb and March. Fury was flagged for elevated nandralone in his post fight test after beating Christian Hammer on 28th Feb. But the Guardian didn't say that because they wanted to sensationalise their story by giving the impression that Fury got popped while training for Wlad, which wasn't true.

After that flagged test result, Fury was called in by UKAD and told that they would take no action against him, but he had to take a series of follow up tests in the lead up to his fight with Wlad, which he did, without any issues. He also passed all his VADA tests. Then, 15 months after the flagged test result, UKAD, for whatever reason, changed their minds and decided to charge Fury with a PED offence. I have my own opinion on why they did that, but it isn't relevant here.

The Hammer post fight test was the only time Fury was flagged or popped for a PED, but he tested positive for cocaine in a VADA test while training for the Wlad rematch. Coke is not classed as a PED, so no action was taken against him for that. But he was then charged with refusing to provide a sample and abusing UKAD officials when they turned up at his gym to test him after a high court judge had ordered the BBBoC to lift their suspension of his licence. Those charges were dropped in return for Fury withdrawing his law suit against UKAD and agreeing to accept a back-dated ban for the Hammer post fight test result. This was part of the deal he did with UKAD to resolve their legal dispute.

[NihonJim]

Then, 15 months after the flagged test result, UKAD, for whatever reason, changed their minds and decided to charge Fury with a PED offence. I have my own opinion on why they did that, but it isn't relevant here.

Political reasons?

[QueensburyRules]

I know he got cut early, bad luck but still, Wallin is absolute trash and Fury should have been able to just step over his front foot and **** him out of there in a couple of rounds once the cut happened.

Was there some style issue or is fury simply just that inconsistent.

- - Easy enough answer is Blubber's concoted comeback was as his Big Stiff Idiot phase where he was milking boxing for all that he could.

See how he milked Deyonce 'til that tlt ran dry...

[kafkod]

Political reasons?

Yes, I think it was political. Nandralone can be produced naturally in the human body. When Fury was flagged for it, UKAD didn't accuse him of taking it deliberately. They gave him a warning and dietary advice to avoid it happening again. 15 months later, a couple of weeks after Fury made controversial comments about gays and Jewish financiers, they changed their minds and accused him of a PED violation. One of the people who condemned Fury's comments was an MP. UKAD are a government quango, funded by Parliament.

[The D3vil]

I know he got cut early, bad luck but still, Wallin is absolute trash and Fury should have been able to just step over his front foot and **** him out of there in a couple of rounds once the cut happened.

Was there some style issue or is fury simply just that inconsistent.

It took him a while to get back in full boxing shape after his long absence due to drugs & obesity.

Plus, he has the tendency to be inconsistent.

[billeau2]

You don't have to be an expert to state facts.

During Fury's time as WBC champion and later so called lineal, the other champions in the division were:

Martin
AJ
Parker
Ruiz
AJ again
Usyk
Wilder

AJ has fought everyone bar Wilder on that list...Fury fought only Wilder over a period of something like 3 years, then finally fought Usyk when there was no one else left. Fury hasn't even unified belts before.

So maybe I am an expert compared to you.

Thanks for coming.

AJ lost many of those fights. What if Fury had fought and lost to the people AJ lost to? would that make him any better or worse than Joshua? And... Fury was, according to Usyk, a much harder fight for him. Lets say Usyk had destroyed Fury. Then perhaps an argument could be made that Fury winning over Wilder may have been due to Wilder's lacking more than Fury's ability... But Fury fought well against Usyk. Fury also beat a younger Klitsko and put on a master class...

Essentially people want to credit Joshua for a few more wins and forget some significant losses he had... they also neglect to pay attention to mutual opponents of the two fighters. Chisora was a tougher fight for Usyk than Joshua!

[Willow The Wisp]

You don't have to be an expert to state facts.

During Fury's time as WBC champion and later so called lineal, the other champions in the division were:

Martin
AJ
Parker
Ruiz
AJ again
Usyk
Wilder

AJ has fought everyone bar Wilder on that list...Fury fought only Wilder over a period of something like 3 years, then finally fought Usyk when there was no one else left. Fury hasn't even unified belts before.

So maybe I am an expert compared to you.

Thanks for coming.

Not to be confrontational or disrespectful, sir.

However; a fan who says something like "The so called lineal" is disqualified from being a knowledgeable boxing fan, let alone an "expert". In dealing with facts; counting "sanctioning body" belts as true accolades tips your hand. This is a condition unique to heavyweights because the true lineal championship is empirical at the Alpha weight class. There is no belt there that holds any real meaning.

In recent times, Ali, L. Spinks, Holmes, M. Spinks, Tyson, Douglas, Holyfield, Bowe, Moorer, Foreman, Briggs, Lewis, Rahman, W. Klitschko, Fury and Usyk each has taken a turn holding the one, real Heavyweight Championship of the World. The most historically significant crown in all of sports.

During the same recent timeframe, Ken Norton, John Tate, Mike Weaver, Michael Dokes, Gerrie Coetzee, Tim Witherspoon, Monte Masters, Pinklon Thomas, Greg Page, Tony Tubbs, Trevor Berbick, Bonecrusher Smith, Tony Tucker, Francisco Damiani, Ray Mercer, Mike Bernardo, Bert Cooper, Adilson Rodrigues, Jimmy Thunder, Tommy Morrison, Michael Bentt, Herbie Hide, Oliver McCall, Bruce Seldon, Frank Bruno, Henry Akinwande, Aussie Joe Bugner, Vitali Klitschko, Chris Byrd, Frans Botha, John Ruiz, Roy Jones, Corrie Sanders, Lamon Brewster, Nicolai Valuev, Siarhei Liakhovich, Oleg Maskaev, Ruslan Chagaev, Sultan Ibragimov, Samuel Peter, David Haye, Alexander Povetkin, Bermine Stiverne, Deontay Wilder, Charles Martin, Lucas Brown, Anthony Joshua, Joseph Parker, Mahmoud (Manuel) Charr, Andy Ruiz Jr., Trevor Bryan, Shawn Laughery, Daniel Dubois and Kubrat Pulev were NEVER the Heavyweight Champion of the World. They simply never won that singular title.

They were merely contenders, (and some, not even quite that), and sanctioning body Belt Holders; which is something VERY different; and this is something people knowledgeable about boxing fully understand, without any confusion.


See this as an opportunity to learn something. Smart people don't ever waste those.

[soul_survivor]

Not to be confrontational or disrespectful, sir.

However; a fan who says something like "The so called lineal" is disqualified from being a knowledgeable boxing fan, let alone an "expert". In dealing with facts; counting "sanctioning body" belts as true accolades tips your hand. This is a condition unique to heavyweights because the true lineal championship is empirical at the Alpha weight class. There is no belt there that holds any real meaning.

In recent times, Ali, L. Spinks, Holmes, M. Spinks, Tyson, Douglas, Holyfield, Bowe, Moorer, Foreman, Briggs, Lewis, Rahman, W. Klitschko, Fury and Usyk each has taken a turn holding the one, real Heavyweight Championship of the World. The most historically significant crown in all of sports.

During the same recent timeframe, Ken Norton, John Tate, Mike Weaver, Michael Dokes, Gerrie Coetzee, Tim Witherspoon, Monte Masters, Pinklon Thomas, Greg Page, Tony Tubbs, Trevor Berbick, Bonecrusher Smith, Tony Tucker, Francisco Damiani, Ray Mercer, Mike Bernardo, Bert Cooper, Adilson Rodrigues, Jimmy Thunder, Tommy Morrison, Michael Bentt, Herbie Hide, Oliver McCall, Bruce Seldon, Frank Bruno, Henry Akinwande, Aussie Joe Bugner, Vitali Klitschko, Chris Byrd, Frans Botha, John Ruiz, Roy Jones, Corrie Sanders, Lamon Brewster, Nicolai Valuev, Siarhei Liakhovich, Oleg Maskaev, Ruslan Chagaev, Sultan Ibragimov, Samuel Peter, David Haye, Alexander Povetkin, Bermine Stiverne, Deontay Wilder, Charles Martin, Lucas Brown, Anthony Joshua, Joseph Parker, Mahmoud (Manuel) Charr, Andy Ruiz Jr., Trevor Bryan, Shawn Laughery, Daniel Dubois and Kubrat Pulev were NEVER the Heavyweight Champion of the World. They simply never won that singular title.

They were merely contenders, (and some, not even quite that), and sanctioning body Belt Holders; which is something VERY different; and this is something people knowledgeable about boxing fully understand, without any confusion.


See this as an opportunity to learn something. Smart people don't ever waste those.

The opportunity for you to learn is that Fury had retired but still somehow managed to be labelled lineal. Not to mention it was potentially a shadow ban from UKAD. Anywya, label him lineal if you like, bottom line is AJ fought and beat better opponents.

Thanks for coming to class kiddo.