All These AI Asterisks Are A Pathetic Joke. Fix This Sh it. WTF

[CubanGuyNYC]

More than 20 years ago I wrote:

First they will take our words, then our thoughts. D a m n I am sorry I was right.

What’s truly eerie is how prescient Orwell and the writers of the Terminator movies were. Machine self-awareness now seems a real possibility.

[eco1]

More than 20 years ago I wrote:

First they will take our words, then our thoughts. D a m n I am sorry I was right.

[CubanGuyNYC]

To have Faith is different than to have proof, always... They both have a place. Logical thinking, proof are attributes that can help us in this existence, make a better world. Even in religion... Buddhist religious experience is based on practice: You practice sitting and clearing through the illusory aspects of the world... It is more like a bench press than anything because, the more you practice the better you get at self control and perception. Buddhists technically are not Atheists. This is a common misunderstanding. The Buddha actually said "God is another issue entirely not related to how we experience suffering in this impermanent world." meaning, one can decide on their own whether there is some God, or not, and that this decision does not directly affect your feelings when the cost of eggs doubles lol.

Faith is another thing entirely. Kierkegaard the great Danish philosopher lost his faith when he tried to examine it... Faith takes another mindset and a commitment to respecting what we do not know. I have faith because to me, there are obvious limits to science: Our body ages because of a code, even if we could replace all our organs, etc... Every 6 months or so, virtually every cell in our entire body has changed, and is new... That means there is a code overseeing our time, and it will act regardless of our bodies health.

The Universe has infinite capability... Our minds literally cannot comprehend how a finite Universe would even exist!!! We ask: Ok, so after the Universe, what comes next? Nothing? what does nothing look, feel like? We cannot comprehend real Nothingness!! Science cannot explain any such thing either.

This is the basis of my faith in a Most High, that permeates and that we are a part of. i accept all versions of such a presence. Christ, included.

I was an atheist for a quarter-century. I know the difference between proof, facts and faith. Once upon a time, I demanded proof. Even now, I maintain an inquisitive mindset. I’m going to repeat a couple more things I’ve already stated: I don’t claim to offer any proof; and far more brilliant minds than ours have argued both sides of the debate. Also, I found it fascinating when I recently discovered that the scientist who posited the Big **** Theory was a Roman Catholic priest. His theory didn’t shake his faith in a God he considered to exist outside of time and space. I’m merely sharing ideas and exchanging notes with any who might be genuinely curious. No one here has a corner on the truth. People here argue the merits of a particular boxer to no end, disagree and are right/wrong in equal measure. No one is revealing the secrets of the universe on Boxingscene…or anywhere else, for that matter. Lol

[CubanGuyNYC]

The shroud of Turin wasn't just debunked via carbon dating, paint traces being found and such, the subject is anatomically inaccurate and elongated which was very typical of gothic artwork from that period. Its arms and fingers/hands are far too long, the forehead is far too small.
If the cloth was dr4p3d upon an actual face then the facial image would be distorted laterally when flattened out.

I watched a documentary where they used high tech computer equipment and such and also known methods of that time and they recreated it iirc with all the inconsistencies using a very similar method to a dark room.

I live in a Christian country and respect Christian values, I want to believe but the more I've looked into it or any more modern religion the more it becomes abundantly clear that all of it - Their birth dates, death dates, often their names, their miracles, stories etc are all taken from other religions or ancient civilisations that came thousands of years prior. The only things that really changed is we went from them having super advanced technology (Hindus, Egyptians, Sumerians) we still can not comprehend to this day (more evidence of a God or extra terrestrial beings than any more modern religion has ever offered) and the claim of them having tons of Gods to now a quabble of just one. Even that would make a lot more sense logically than one all knowing, all seeing God unless it was adapted as a mean of control and power.

I’ve never seen the documentary you’re referring to, but the sources you’re getting information from are incomplete. Do a simple Google search and type in “Shroud of Turin is authentic” to see what I’m looking at this very moment. Below is the AI overview that came up:


AI Overview
The Shroud of Turin is believed by some to be the burial cloth of Jesus Christ, and there is growing evidence to support this claim.


Evidence

• Dating
  Italian researchers used X-ray scattering to date the shroud, and found it to be nearly 2,000 years old. This is compatible with the time of Jesus's life.
• Image
  The image on the shroud matches the Gospel accounts of Jesus's crucifixion. The image also shows a man with a beard, mustache, and shoulder-length hair.
• Stains
  The shroud has reddish-brown stains that match the wounds described in the Bible.The blood on the cloth also contains high levels of bilirubin, a chemical found in the blood of tortured people.
• Microscopic deposits
  The shroud contains microscopic deposits of rare Jerusalem soil and flower pollen.

• Radiation theory
  Some believe that UV radiation imprinted the image on the cloth without any heat source.

• Dating
  Italian researchers used X-ray scattering to date the shroud, and found it to be nearly 2,000 years old. This is compatible with the time of Jesus's life.
• Image
  The image on the shroud matches the Gospel accounts of Jesus's crucifixion. The image also shows a man with a beard, mustache, and shoulder-length hair.

And here’s a link to an article from Britannica: https://www.britannica.com/topic/Shroud-of-Turin

Draw your own conclusions from looking at various sources as I did. My belief is that only a supernatural event could’ve caused that image to be emblazoned on a burial cloth now believed to be indeed from the time of Christ. Modern science has been unable to re-create the exact effect. And the negative image that revealed the details we know today were only discovered in 1898. A medieval artist was supposed to have faked this?

[billeau2]

That’s not true. If it were so easily debunked as you say, I wouldn’t have spent so long agonizing over its authenticity or lack thereof. The Shroud has obviously been accused of being a fake for a long time, yet there is evidence to the contrary that has fully satisfied my formerly skeptical self. But that’s right, you don’t believe what I say about being a reformed atheist; so there’s no point in continuing this discussion with you, as there is clearly no basis for mutual respect on the matter. I’m not here to prove anything. Believe as you wish.

To have Faith is different than to have proof, always... They both have a place. Logical thinking, proof are attributes that can help us in this existence, make a better world. Even in religion... Buddhist religious experience is based on practice: You practice sitting and clearing through the illusory aspects of the world... It is more like a bench press than anything because, the more you practice the better you get at self control and perception. Buddhists technically are not Atheists. This is a common misunderstanding. The Buddha actually said "God is another issue entirely not related to how we experience suffering in this impermanent world." meaning, one can decide on their own whether there is some God, or not, and that this decision does not directly affect your feelings when the cost of eggs doubles lol.

Faith is another thing entirely. Kierkegaard the great Danish philosopher lost his faith when he tried to examine it... Faith takes another mindset and a commitment to respecting what we do not know. I have faith because to me, there are obvious limits to science: Our body ages because of a code, even if we could replace all our organs, etc... Every 6 months or so, virtually every cell in our entire body has changed, and is new... That means there is a code overseeing our time, and it will act regardless of our bodies health.

The Universe has infinite capability... Our minds literally cannot comprehend how a finite Universe would even exist!!! We ask: Ok, so after the Universe, what comes next? Nothing? what does nothing look, feel like? We cannot comprehend real Nothingness!! Science cannot explain any such thing either.

This is the basis of my faith in a Most High, that permeates and that we are a part of. i accept all versions of such a presence. Christ, included.

[billeau2]

The shroud of Turin wasn't just debunked via carbon dating, paint traces being found and such, the subject is anatomically inaccurate and elongated which was very typical of gothic artwork from that period. Its arms and fingers/hands are far too long, the forehead is far too small.
If the cloth was dr4p3d upon an actual face then the facial image would be distorted laterally when flattened out.

I watched a documentary where they used high tech computer equipment and such and also known methods of that time and they recreated it iirc with all the inconsistencies using a very similar method to a dark room.

I live in a Christian country and respect Christian values, I want to believe but the more I've looked into it or any more modern religion the more it becomes abundantly clear that all of it - Their birth dates, death dates, often their names, their miracles, stories etc are all taken from other religions or ancient civilisations that came thousands of years prior. The only things that really changed is we went from them having super advanced technology (Hindus, Egyptians, Sumerians) we still can not comprehend to this day (more evidence of a God or extra terrestrial beings than any more modern religion has ever offered) and the claim of them having tons of Gods to now a quabble of just one. Even that would make a lot more sense logically than one all knowing, all seeing God unless it was adapted as a mean of control and power.

I believe in "Christ Consciousness," which is similar to other figures and a pervading sense of belonging. But I do not think this is exclusive. It is one of many paths, a way amongst many for people to take inventory and not be thoughtless. I believe in a superior intelligence, consciousness, that pervades the world and gives us love and hope... But this world IMO is a pergatory. We are probably here because we were a troll like Daggum in another life and have some growing to do as a soul. That is why I really love Daggum see? Like I love all sentient life. Besides we are all in the same crab pot! How we handle it? That is the test.

[billeau2]

First time I heard that sh it bro. Many religious people become atheists and, although it's much rarer, some atheists become religious. Much more likely that once you study the history of religions you can't really deny that religions are all man-made and often borrow stories from each other. Whether gods exist or not is something no one has ever proven or disproven. But it's because you can't disprove that the ruler of the universe is a giant crocodile named Jack.... In other words, anyone can invent these type of religious stories and they can't really be disproven, and of course they're never proven either.

have you considered the alternative? Probably not judging from your love of Daggum. Maybe the Most High has many forms, that manifest to many different cultures in different ways. Same with Ghosts. Even Buddhists, whom are Agnostic and historically su****ious of all meta physical constructions, allow for the existence of spirits, deities, etc. By the way Krishna comes from the age of Indian Religion (Brahmanism) that is similar to other Monotheistic traditions: Krishna being the avatar for Vishnu, who is one of three in a holy Trinity (sound familiar?) Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva. Krishna came to prominance in the bhagavigita, that is how he was "Created" as you put it.

[billeau2]

Can’t even write something as innocuous as the word ma gazine. Apparently, the first four letters go against this site’s political inclinations.

LOL M a g a The site hired Chinese Government censors.

[dan_cov]

The shroud of Turin wasn't just debunked via carbon dating, paint traces being found and such, the subject is anatomically inaccurate and elongated which was very typical of gothic artwork from that period. Its arms and fingers/hands are far too long, the forehead is far too small.
If the cloth was dr4p3d upon an actual face then the facial image would be distorted laterally when flattened out.

I watched a documentary where they used high tech computer equipment and such and also known methods of that time and they recreated it iirc with all the inconsistencies using a very similar method to a dark room.

I live in a Christian country and respect Christian values, I want to believe but the more I've looked into it or any more modern religion the more it becomes abundantly clear that all of it - Their birth dates, death dates, often their names, their miracles, stories etc are all taken from other religions or ancient civilisations that came thousands of years prior. The only things that really changed is we went from them having super advanced technology (Hindus, Egyptians, Sumerians) we still can not comprehend to this day (more evidence of a God or extra terrestrial beings than any more modern religion has ever offered) and the claim of them having tons of Gods to now a quabble of just one. Even that would make a lot more sense logically than one all knowing, all seeing God unless it was adapted as a mean of control and power.

[CubanGuyNYC]

Shroud of turin was easily debunked so not sure why you had such trouble with that? I mean it appeared 1300 years after jesus so that should be a red flag. Not to mention carbon dating, fabric used, design used are all consistent with 14 century which is when it was found/made.

Also this ignores the question of even if it was from the time of Jesus that proves nothing. It certainly doesn't prove God is real orJesus was real. All it would prove is someone made a shroud with a guy on it and that somehow equals proof of god? Giant leap there. Also Chain of custody? All these artifacts are pretty clearly fan fiction made after the fact.

I dont really believe your I was an atheist story. It's just something religious people often say to try and make their case stronger when they don't have one based on facts so they rely on their personal experience. You don't have to debunk anything. Religious people have to prove its real and they can't. On the other hand many things in the bible can and have been debunked which should make you question its legitimacy.

Like others said the Jesus story was already out there long before Jesus so it's very convenient that Jesus came along and the same thing that happened to other gods or in other stories happened to him? They just didn't have much of an imagination and aped off other legends and myths of the time. same way joseph Smith did it. No one would seriously say mormonism is a real thing. If someone found some gold plates in 1000 years they would say look it's the gold plates josepth smith was right! Really now?

That’s not true. If it were so easily debunked as you say, I wouldn’t have spent so long agonizing over its authenticity or lack thereof. The Shroud has obviously been accused of being a fake for a long time, yet there is evidence to the contrary that has fully satisfied my formerly skeptical self. But that’s right, you don’t believe what I say about being a reformed atheist; so there’s no point in continuing this discussion with you, as there is clearly no basis for mutual respect on the matter. I’m not here to prove anything. Believe as you wish.