Is Luis Ortiz the greatest heavyweight to never win a title

[billeau2]

joyce was simply on the tough side of the bracket with guys like dubois, parker, and zhang. wilder and ortiz were on the easy side of the bracket(by their choice) when the fighters all started fighting each other wilder and ortiz fell off. guys like zhang, parker, dubois, and joyce very shortly ended up towards the top and the bottom lesser fighters like wilder and ortiz were filtered out.

Tell me how good Zhang is? a one armed fighter with no endurance... According to your understanding he was much better than the rest because he beat Joyce lol. So what makes Zhang so unbeatable? And how good was Dubois when he fought Joyce? As a prospect pretty much... Parker has skills, some arguments could be made for that, for what it is worth. Dubois as great as he was like the rest could not beat a premier heavyweight. Joshua lost to a premier heavyweight. Usyk, who beat them both said Fury was by far his toughest fight... Furywho went life and death with a functional Wilder. See how that works? I gues Usyk was Lying? lol.

[billeau2]

thank you for your randomly generated list

As opposed to what? Your crappy alphabet soup, political, special interest based list? Willow has real objective considerations. Your list is regurgitated garbage.

[kafkod]

Not on his team and not aware of the particulars involved; but looking closely at those two fighters; their respective strengths and liabilities; I would immediately jump at a title shot at the talented, respected but fragile Joshua, if I were piloting Ortiz. What Andy Ruiz and Daniel Dubois can do; Ortiz could have done better just a few years ago.

It was all over the news at the time. Miller got popped for PEDs and Ortiz, or whoever it was who did his talking for him, piped up on social media saying he was ready to step in and challenging Hearn to give him the spot. Hearn responded by making him an offer of $5million. Ortiz's team turned it down and accused Hearn of low-balling them. Hearn increased the offer to $7million but that was also turned down. Andy Ruiz ended up taking the fight for $5million.

Ortiz would have had a puncher's chance, but he never beat anybody as good as AJ, and AJ had beaten better men than Ortiz, so he would have been favourite if it had happened.

[Willow The Wisp]

It was all over the news at the time. Miller got popped for PEDs and Ortiz, or whoever it was who did his talking for him, piped up on social media saying he was ready to step in and challenging Hearn to give him the spot. Hearn responded by making him an offer of $5million. Ortiz's team turned it down and accused Hearn of low-balling them. Hearn increased the offer to $7million but that was also turned down. Andy Ruiz ended up taking the fight for $5million.

Ortiz would have had a puncher's chance, but he never beat anybody as good as AJ, and AJ had beaten better men than Ortiz, so he would have been favourite if it had happened.

AJ is always the favorite when he gets blown away.
That's his thing.

[billeau2]

AJ is always the favorite when he gets blown away.
That's his thing.

It is a venerable tradition... Frank Bruno was no doubt the favorite to beat Witherspoon...

[hogey]

Sam Langford no one else comes close.

[JakeTheBoxer]

What is Ortiz`s the best win, for a start?

It must be Jennings?

LOL.

Even Chisora has much better resume , with wins over Wallin, Joyce, Pulev, Washington, Takam.

[BirdSong]

poor luiz ortiz for some odd reason he just never got to show his greatness i wonder why????

[daggum]

What is Ortiz`s the best win, for a start?

It must be Jennings?

LOL.

Even Chisora has much better resume , with wins over Wallin, Joyce, Pulev, Washington, Takam.

I think its time for a who is greater chisora vs ortiz thread