Is Luis Ortiz the greatest heavyweight to never win a title

[billeau2]

I wouldn't call Ortiz elite. I do think he was, like a lot of the Cuban fighters we see, talented and technically accomplished. I also do not think he was unfortunate to be in an era of giants... He was unfortunate to come in the ranks later in his career, like a lot of the Cubans. His only real problem was running into Wilder when Wilder was capable. Like Willow Wisp says" he would have given Joshua a good fight and could have even won." Wilder caught him haphhazardly and if one watches those two fights Ortiz was winning both for what it is worth.

Certainly Ortiz was better than many Joshua fans give him credit for being!

[kafkod]

He has the combination of elite level boxing skills, brutal ko power and a granite chin.

He was just unfortunate to be in an era with a 6'7" monster puncher who only needs to be perfect for one second.

If not for Wilder and Andy Ruiz, Ortiz would have gone down in history as the best PBC HW of all time!

[kafkod]

Never having won a world title belt, which many contenders for the real (linial) title do; Ortiz definitely makes the short list within the "4 belt era" (c. 2007). No question about it. Had he been in the opposite corner against Anthony Joshua in June 2019 instead of Andy Ruiz Jr., he very likely would have snagged himself a few belts, given his skill and power during that time.

His team obviously didn't share that opinion, or they wouldn't have turned down a career high offer to fight AJ on that date.

[Willow The Wisp]

His team obviously didn't share that opinion, or they wouldn't have turned down a career high offer to fight AJ on that date.

Not on his team and not aware of the particulars involved; but looking closely at those two fighters; their respective strengths and liabilities; I would immediately jump at a title shot at the talented, respected but fragile Joshua, if I were piloting Ortiz. What Andy Ruiz and Daniel Dubois can do; Ortiz could have done better just a few years ago.

[Shrap]

Wilder fans STILL trying to build Ortiz up.

Ortiz wasn't and isn't the greatest anything. End of.

[daggum]

didnt we already establish joe joyce as being a lot better than ortiz, and he was in the exact same era. joyce beat dubois and parker. ortiz beat jennings and malik scott? im sure we can think of 20 guys better than him and its not even hard to win a belt in the 4 belt era

[daggum]

If not for Wilder and Andy Ruiz, Ortiz would have gone down in history as the best PBC HW of all time!

hes definitely better than gerald washington and eric molina! great job ortiz!

[daggum]

Not on his team and not aware of the particulars involved; but looking closely at those two fighters; their respective strengths and liabilities; I would immediately jump at a title shot at the talented, respected but fragile Joshua, if I were piloting Ortiz. What Andy Ruiz and Daniel Dubois can do; Ortiz could have done better just a few years ago.

based on what? ruiz and dubois are both better than ortiz so i dont understand that at all. of course styles make fights but if a limited fighter like wilder was able to bomb ortiz out of there couldnt you assume a much better fighter like joshua would do the same?

[SteveM]

No. Lol

[The D3vil]

He was a lot better than the AJ stans make him out to be, but there's a lot of guys like Jimmy Young, Ike Ibeabuchi, & David Tua, who could be in that discussion.