Fury and Wilder are brothers in arns

[Marchegiano]

I get most y'all. I still think Joshua was ducking back when Deontay was champion and Tyson was only a questionable lineal. Most the excuses are ******. Look at Kaf pretend like the only reason in the world to pass on Joshua's offer is for a circlejerk. C'mon bro, you ain't even that dumb ****er. You can do better.

BUT

At the moment Tyson's being a cry baby ***** and Wilder's having a ****ing existential meltdown.

So right now Joshy looking might mean to me. Too bad his ***** ass can't beat anyone worth a ****.

[NihonJim]

We have two things we KNOW

1. Wilders team met Joshua's demand of 50 million and team AJ didn't want to know.

2. Dazn offered Wilder a 100m deal for 3 fights culminating in an AJ fight. Team Wilder didn't want to know.

The truth I believe is NEITHER fighters team ever wanted the fight, I think the fighters themselves would have fought each other, but AJ was a cash cow for Eddie Hearn, and PBC Al Haymon did NOT want his best heavyweight fighting on DAZN.

Head to head I HAVE to pick wilder.

Name me the AJ fight where he didn't get hit, even against old Pulev, Brezeale, Helenius etc, his weaker opponents he still got hit, theres no way he avoids getting hit by wilder, and I KNOW he can't take wilders power, no way no how.

AJ a far better technical boxer than Wilder and theoretically he DOES have the skills and power to take Wilder out before wilder can get anything off on him, but that's not AJ's mentality and it never has been, you have to make predictions based on the real world not theoretical "he "could" do this.

AJ's weak defensively, he's weak mentally and can be spooked, that's a BAD combination against Wilder.

[ELPacman]

Joshua literally offered wilder 100 million dollars and wilder said no so what you are saying doenst make any sense. When time to sign the contract came...Wilder didn't want it, nothing he said in an interview means diddly squat.

If Joshua was scared like you say he still offered Wilder the fight which should say a lot about him because he was still willing to face someone he was scared of. Wilder wasn't willing to fight someone he said he wanted which should say a lot about him too.

Oh yeah and wilder has a history of ducking Joshua. In 2018 after the ortiz fight Joshua offered 12.5 million to wilder when Wilders career high at that point had been 2 million. Wilder turned it down and his fans said that was a lowball which it wasn't of course since it was 6 times more than he had ever made, but 100 million certainly was not a lowball and he turned down that down too which should lead to the obvious conclusion that he didn't want to fight joshua.

Show proof there was 100 million offered. Actually, Shelly Finkel and team offered AJ, I think it was something like 40 million because AJ said he would only fight Wilder for that type of money. They called his bluff by doing it. You must of forgotten back then that Wilder and team were trying hard to make it and AJ and Eddie did everything in their power to delay talks and avoid it. It got to the point where Wilder in interviews was telling people he was moving on. They couldn't do much more than give AJ what he wanted and they still would not take it.

[billeau2]

Isn't it sweet...The renaissance of the Joshuastans!! Lol... Very entertaining! is the gimp in yet? I see Daggum! Come one come all Joshuastans!! Rally!!! Kafkod? You there? of course!!!

Joshua who never beat one of the best heavyweights of his era... Bruno level! Yayyy!!!!

[billeau2]

I get most y'all. I still think Joshua was ducking back when Deontay was champion and Tyson was only a questionable lineal. Most the excuses are ******. Look at Kaf pretend like the only reason in the world to pass on Joshua's offer is for a circlejerk. C'mon bro, you ain't even that dumb ****er. You can do better.

BUT

At the moment Tyson's being a cry baby ***** and Wilder's having a ****ing existential meltdown.

So right now Joshy looking might mean to me. Too bad his ***** ass can't beat anyone worth a ****.

You just knew the Joshuastans would come back and rally! Joshua, king of the horizontal heavies! Never beat one of the best, and that means the best are not worthy! Cringe logic at its best!!!

[daggum]

Show proof there was 100 million offered. Actually, Shelly Finkel and team offered AJ, I think it was something like 40 million because AJ said he would only fight Wilder for that type of money. They called his bluff by doing it. You must of forgotten back then that Wilder and team were trying hard to make it and AJ and Eddie did everything in their power to delay talks and avoid it. It got to the point where Wilder in interviews was telling people he was moving on. They couldn't do much more than give AJ what he wanted and they still would not take it.

wilder literally said it was real?

Apr 15, 2019 — Deontay Wilder has explained why he turned down £100million to fight Anthony Joshua - and doesn't regret his decision.

they actually offered joshua 50 million though email, hearn said send the contract, and wilders team said no, you have to agree to it without seeing the contact. obviously thats not a real offer or how you do business wouldnt you agree? even after the email offer joshua sent wilder an offer for 100 million and last i checked 100 is more than 50 right? still wasnt good enough for wilder which proves he was the one bluffing. its pretty obvious they took joshuas public statement of wanting 50 million, made a fake offer of 50 million, then when hearn showed genuine interest, they pulled the plug and ran to the media screaming duck duck!

"I've written back and said we'd be very interested in that offer, but we can't rely on your email. We need to see a proof of funds and formal paperwork. There is lots to discuss.

"For a fighter to send another fighter an email, telling them about this money, is very strange.


everything you are saying is simply publicity put out by the wilder side. they tried hard to make the fight? they did not. they tried hard to make you think they wanted the fight...then fought a load of bums. wilder wanted to move on, he had great opportunities to fight joshua. wilder used the media to try and tell a story, a fable. the cold hard facts show he didnt want the fight.

[Marchegiano]

You just knew the Joshuastans would come back and rally! Joshua, king of the horizontal heavies! Never beat one of the best, and that means the best are not worthy! Cringe logic at its best!!!

JPS only takes breaks when the heat is on.

[Boxing 112]

Wilder let it slip that he turned down more money to fight AJ than he got for fighting Fury. So all that shows you is that Fury and Wilder wanted to make as much money as they could fighting nobody but each other, over and over again.

He didn't let anything slip that we didn't all ready know. You are referring to his tweet i know, Eddie goes look he admitted he ducked then you all repeat the same thing. We knew he did not take the dazn offer so that tweet was nothing new. It was even a guaranteed offer there was a lot more to it. First AJ was signed to Sky they could not even guarantee the 3 fights they claimed. Finkep said they asked more questions about terms and got no response. They also did not say how much AJ would get as they wanted to see what it would be if it were a split on ppv, Wilder AJ would have been huge at that point.

The 50m offer Wilder made was more realistic than the 100m offer. And yes it was real i watched all the interviews back then Eddie said he got the answers they asked. The money was based on a US fight. It could have easily generated enough to pay that to AJ ONLY if it was in the US. UK ppv fights make much less as ppv is a lot less. If Eddie/AJ wanted it there was no chance they were willing to come to the US for it that is why they refused 50m

A few other comments from dazn ceo saying he was nee to everything and didn't know what he was really doing and knew the offer made would never work

Remember Barry Hearn is on video saying he told Eddie wait 2 more years at least to let the fight marinate as would get bigger. He also tweeted glad we didn't accept the 50m offer. AJ is also on video when asked about the AJ Wilder fight "no one can rush me, if it happens next year or the year after"

A lot of you for years got fooled by Eddie and his words. Past few years more of you realised what a snake he is

When it comes to the AJ Fury talks, he took ownership saying he is going to make it with Saudi, he couldn't. For weeks and weeks he said it is nearly done, this went on for months. Then when Wilder arbitration decision came in May of that year, Fury had to fight Wilder. And the Fury AJ failed talks was blamed on that, when in reality if you followed everything and interviews for months, that fight was not getting made cause Eddie either did not want to or could not make it with Saudi. Remember the Saudi guys back then were Skills Challenge they did not have as much power as Turki i watched the interviews back then with the Skills Challenge guy and what he was saying was not adding u either, Fury AJ was never as close as made out even with Furys announcement it was never done

Turki put skills challenge out of the game, he is Saudis general entertainment guy in charge and has access to the Saudi wealth funds to put on all these events, them Saudis guys who made Ruiz AJ and were apparently trying to make Fury AJ with Eddie were not on the same level as Turki is.

[ELPacman]

wilder literally said it was real?

Apr 15, 2019 — Deontay Wilder has explained why he turned down £100million to fight Anthony Joshua - and doesn't regret his decision.

they actually offered joshua 50 million though email, hearn said send the contract, and wilders team said no, you have to agree to it without seeing the contact. obviously thats not a real offer or how you do business wouldnt you agree? even after the email offer joshua sent wilder an offer for 100 million and last i checked 100 is more than 50 right? still wasnt good enough for wilder which proves he was the one bluffing. its pretty obvious they took joshuas public statement of wanting 50 million, made a fake offer of 50 million, then when hearn showed genuine interest, they pulled the plug and ran to the media screaming duck duck!

"I've written back and said we'd be very interested in that offer, but we can't rely on your email. We need to see a proof of funds and formal paperwork. There is lots to discuss.

"For a fighter to send another fighter an email, telling them about this money, is very strange.


everything you are saying is simply publicity put out by the wilder side. they tried hard to make the fight? they did not. they tried hard to make you think they wanted the fight...then fought a load of bums. wilder wanted to move on, he had great opportunities to fight joshua. wilder used the media to try and tell a story, a fable. the cold hard facts show he didnt want the fight.

This was in 2018, by Dan Rafael. This came first.
https://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/...ification-bout

Now reading into this 100million deal, it's not exactly a duck the way you're making it look as the 50 million duck was from AJ. Per Wilder, he thought by becoming a free agent, he could turn down the 100million and end up making more eventually. Letting it marinate more if you will since Wilder was still a hot product and people were loving him. Unfortunately his gamble hit a wall when he faced Fury and it ruined everything.

So yeah, not quite the same kind of ducks and AJ is more legit than Wilder's was when you look into the time it was offered and Wilder's position in the heavyweight division at the time the 100 million was offered.

[pollywog]

I believe Wilder wanted the lineal thing off Fury more than the trash belts Joshua had.

If he'd beaten Fury first up he woulda been in the box seat for unifying.

Hearn went out of his way to create roadblocks to age/shop wear Wilder and protect Joshua's 0 and belts.

For me that's a whole lotta quacking on Joshua's part.