Fury and Wilder are brothers in arns

[JakeTheBoxer]

Wilder fought Fury, because he believed he was shot. And he believed Joshua was not shot, which was true. Than both cowards rather fought each other twice more than Joshua. You don`t have to be Einstein to understand this.

[Boxing 112]

Mate, you are full of shit. I'm not going to bother responding to any more of your crap in this discussion.

Lol because it is fact and you're one of those who fell for the ****t Eddie told you. History books will remember a great Fury Wilder trilogy, and remember that AJ fought neither of the 2 when it should have happened. Might still happen now but should have years ago.

Put Fury Wilder aside then. Usyk was mandatory when he moved up to heavyweight. Eddie Hearn was shook, they tried their best to delay as long as possible. Eddie said himself in a interview when talking about Usyk, we arr getting tired of all these mandos AJ has to fight "we might decide to drop the belt" his own words. They were literally considering dropping the belt to avoid Usyk. It took Usyks legal team to and lawyers to send a letter to WBO and Matchroom, to force them into facing him. They basically had no choice, either finally fight Usyk or drop the belt, dropping the belt would have been huge reputational damage to AJ. So they were essentially forced into giving Usyk the shot

[billeau2]

I am one of those strange people known as "hardcore boxing fans" who don't only watch fights, but also spend way to much time, on YouTube, X/Twitter, and at news sites like this one, following boxing news and listening to interviews with people who work in the industry. I heard Eddie Hearn, in multiple interviews, say that the only part he played in DAZN's offer to Wilder was to give his guarantee that AJ would fight Wilder if Deontay accepted the offer. Nobody from Wilder's team contradicted him on that. I also heard Frank Warren, in 2 interviews with UK boxing channels on YT, say that BT Sport were involved in the $50million offer to AJ and that he told Shelly Finkel there was no way the offer would be accepted.

If what you say is true and if you understand how contracts work, you would understand that virtually all contracts are provisionally "Arm's Length," and that given this fact, a team of specialists inevitably are left to try for some advantage... If a contract is void, or otherwise cancelled, it seldom is because a fighter is "scared," or just capricious, it is because the fighter has a reason... a better deal, some provision that his team deems unexceptable, etc.

Let me teach you a method to know when Hearns and most promoters are lying: If their mouth is open? you hear a voice? you know they are lying. People so called on the inside are only such if they are a party to negotiations. The fact that you trust anything Hearn says shows your naivete. Use common sense: What promoter will say: "yeah my fighter is a coward and defied his best interests when accepting/rejecting such and such a fight." Do you know WHY Warren rejected the offer? Nope. Hey I do not either.

Look Kafkod despite doing imbecile things like quoting promoters as legitimate sources, you have potential... you have shown some brain power. You have to treat statements about contracts, many of which have non-disclosure agreements attached, like legitimate conspiracy theories: Plot the dots, find the relationship between them, then figure in the witness accounts, the times, etc... There is always a grain of truth in what even fast Eddie says, but it is tempered by the need to feed the media accounts of how his charge (fighter) was a victim... like all promoters.

Here is an example of what I am saying: Hearn probably is correct that he had little to no pull in the Daz negotiations. But believe me! His "offer" IF it was even real was tempered by other conditions... Bet on it! Regarding Warren, find a reason WHY his statement could hold water and only then consider it. Is it true? Probably but so what? "Water is Wet" right... WHY did fish eyes claim Wilder rejected the offer: And no it is not because Wilder was scared? does not like AJ... etc. Critical thinking right? Find a plausible reason and then you might have real information and not some media induced back and fourth speculating on who the wronged fighter was! HInt: No such thing contracts deal with interests and little else. "Is it worth it?" yada yada...

[billeau2]

Wilder fought Fury, because he believed he was shot. And he believed Joshua was not shot, which was true. Than both cowards rather fought each other twice more than Joshua. You don`t have to be Einstein to understand this.

1. After a tough fight Fury, whom may well have "thought" Wilder was shot, found out Wilder was a tough opponent (thats a fact) then according to you, reasoned that AJ would be a tougher Opponent? Total lack of critical thinking. Foolish.
2. Cowards? You have been in the ring yes? How many fighters are cowards and would not fight another opponent out of fear? Another foolish statement. And again, AJ? The second coming of Frank Bruno? That is the fighter Fury avoided?
3. I don't pretend to know why Fury fought the Wilder fights... But common sense tells me it was not out of avoiding Joshua.

[billeau2]

Mate, you are full of shit. I'm not going to bother responding to any more of your crap in this discussion.

It is hearsay... Both opinions! Speculation from media accounts, if he is full of it, so are you!

[billeau2]

They are brothers in arms because Fury ruined Wilder and in turn was diminished himself after their trilogy.

This opinion is supported by the subsequent trajectory of both fighters...

[Boxing 112]

I am one of those strange people known as "hardcore boxing fans" who don't only watch fights, but also spend way to much time, on YouTube, X/Twitter, and at news sites like this one, following boxing news and listening to interviews with people who work in the industry. I heard Eddie Hearn, in multiple interviews, say that the only part he played in DAZN's offer to Wilder was to give his guarantee that AJ would fight Wilder if Deontay accepted the offer. Nobody from Wilder's team contradicted him on that. I also heard Frank Warren, in 2 interviews with UK boxing channels on YT, say that BT Sport were involved in the $50million offer to AJ and that he told Shelly Finkel there was no way the offer would be accepted.

I can tell you really mean you are one of those people who watch every eddie hearn interviews and believe everything he says without a 2nd thought. BT had nothing to do with it. Like i said all that Frank said was Finkel asked how much they might pay to show it. The 50m offer was funding for a US fight. It is clear from Eddie and his Dads comments they said no US fight. They were shook to go US to fight Wilder. Thought they found a easier US opponent to show off AJ when Miller was announced and later Ruiz amd we all saw what happened got beat up and never mentioned US again.


At this point both are well past their best and washed so they might as well just fight now years later then it should have happened but if Fury AJ isn't happening might as well make it

[Marchegiano]

I can tell you really mean you are one of those people who watch every eddie hearn interviews and believe everything he says without a 2nd thought. BT had nothing to do with it. Like i said all that Frank said was Finkel asked how much they might pay to show it. The 50m offer was funding for a US fight. It is clear from Eddie and his Dads comments they said no US fight. They were shook to go US to fight Wilder. Thought they found a easier US opponent to show off AJ when Miller was announced and later Ruiz amd we all saw what happened got beat up and never mentioned US again.


At this point both are well past their best and washed so they might as well just fight now years later then it should have happened but if Fury AJ isn't happening might as well make it

Kaf's not really that bad but I thought you were pretty funny so I give the thumb.

[kafkod]

If what you say is true and if you understand how contracts work, you would understand that virtually all contracts are provisionally "Arm's Length," and that given this fact, a team of specialists inevitably are left to try for some advantage... If a contract is void, or otherwise cancelled, it seldom is because a fighter is "scared," or just capricious, it is because the fighter has a reason... a better deal, some provision that his team deems unexceptable, etc.

Let me teach you a method to know when Hearns and most promoters are lying: If their mouth is open? you hear a voice? you know they are lying. People so called on the inside are only such if they are a party to negotiations. The fact that you trust anything Hearn says shows your naivete. Use common sense: What promoter will say: "yeah my fighter is a coward and defied his best interests when accepting/rejecting such and such a fight." Do you know WHY Warren rejected the offer? Nope. Hey I do not either.

Look Kafkod despite doing imbecile things like quoting promoters as legitimate sources, you have potential... you have shown some brain power. You have to treat statements about contracts, many of which have non-disclosure agreements attached, like legitimate conspiracy theories: Plot the dots, find the relationship between them, then figure in the witness accounts, the times, etc... There is always a grain of truth in what even fast Eddie says, but it is tempered by the need to feed the media accounts of how his charge (fighter) was a victim... like all promoters.

Here is an example of what I am saying: Hearn probably is correct that he had little to no pull in the Daz negotiations. But believe me! His "offer" IF it was even real was tempered by other conditions... Bet on it! Regarding Warren, find a reason WHY his statement could hold water and only then consider it. Is it true? Probably but so what? "Water is Wet" right... WHY did fish eyes claim Wilder rejected the offer: And no it is not because Wilder was scared? does not like AJ... etc. Critical thinking right? Find a plausible reason and then you might have real information and not some media induced back and fourth speculating on who the wronged fighter was! HInt: No such thing contracts deal with interests and little else. "Is it worth it?" yada yada...

So quoting promoters is imbecilic, yeah? Does that mean that all professional journalists and boxing writers are imbeciles? Because they all regularly interview and quote promoters, or write articles commenting on what promoters have said to other journalists. Where else do you think guys like Dan Raphael and Micheal Benson get their information from? Browsing comments threads at forums or underneath YT videos?

Yes, promoters all talk bull**** and tell lies a lot of the time. That's why I never take anything any of them say as gospel without knowing something about background situations or monitoring what happens AFTER they say something .. like, did they do what they said they were going to do? Did anybody call them out for lying, or contradict their version of events?

Regarding DAZN's offer to Wilder .. I knew that Lou Dibella, who was Wilder's promoter back then, had brokered a meeting between Team Wilder and the CEO of DAZN, to discuss a deal between DAZN and Wilder, which have would led to 2 fights between Wilder and AJ, if Deontay had accepted it.

I knew that Wilder had stated, multiple times, that he would not be part of any deal involving Eddie Hearn. That's why I believed Eddie when he later came out and said that he had not been present during the meeting, and the only part he played was to give his guarantee, as AJ's representative, that AJ would fight Wilder if the deal was accepted.

I know that Wilder rejected the deal, and the reason given by Shelly Finkel was that DAZN wouldn't tell them how much AJ would be paid for the fights. Neither Wilder nor any member of his team ever said anything about them rejecting the deal because DAZN couldn't guarantee that AJ would fight Deontay. That was something invented by Wilder's apologists after the fact. The broad details of the deal, including how much Wilder would have been paid, were widely reported by many news outlets, including BoxingScene.

Regarding what Frank Warren said about PBC's $50million offer to AJ. Warren absolutely, definitely, and indubitably did say that part of the funds would have come from BT Sports, and that BT agreed to put up the money because they were hoping to broadcast the fight in the UK. Several people, including me, posted links to that interview in threads at this site.

[kafkod]

It is hearsay... Both opinions! Speculation from media accounts, if he is full of it, so are you!

But only one of us is posting opinions which are consistent with facts. And it isn't that clown you are referring to.