Fury and Wilder are brothers in arns

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He didn't let anything slip that we didn't all ready know. You are referring to his tweet i know, Eddie goes look he admitted he ducked then you all repeat the same thing. We knew he did not take the dazn offer so that tweet was nothing new. It was even a guaranteed offer there was a lot more to it. First AJ was signed to Sky they could not even guarantee the 3 fights they claimed. Finkep said they asked more questions about terms and got no response. They also did not say how much AJ would get as they wanted to see what it would be if it were a split on ppv, Wilder AJ would have been huge at that point.

The 50m offer Wilder made was more realistic than the 100m offer. And yes it was real i watched all the interviews back then Eddie said he got the answers they asked. The money was based on a US fight. It could have easily generated enough to pay that to AJ ONLY if it was in the US. UK ppv fights make much less as ppv is a lot less. If Eddie/AJ wanted it there was no chance they were willing to come to the US for it that is why they refused 50m

A few other comments from dazn ceo saying he was nee to everything and didn't know what he was really doing and knew the offer made would never work

Remember Barry Hearn is on video saying he told Eddie wait 2 more years at least to let the fight marinate as would get bigger. He also tweeted glad we didn't accept the 50m offer. AJ is also on video when asked about the AJ Wilder fight "no one can rush me, if it happens next year or the year after"

A lot of you for years got fooled by Eddie and his words. Past few years more of you realised what a snake he is

When it comes to the AJ Fury talks, he took ownership saying he is going to make it with Saudi, he couldn't. For weeks and weeks he said it is nearly done, this went on for months. Then when Wilder arbitration decision came in May of that year, Fury had to fight Wilder. And the Fury AJ failed talks was blamed on that, when in reality if you followed everything and interviews for months, that fight was not getting made cause Eddie either did not want to or could not make it with Saudi. Remember the Saudi guys back then were Skills Challenge they did not have as much power as Turki i watched the interviews back then with the Skills Challenge guy and what he was saying was not adding u either, Fury AJ was never as close as made out even with Furys announcement it was never done

Turki put skills challenge out of the game, he is Saudis general entertainment guy in charge and has access to the Saudi wealth funds to put on all these events, them Saudis guys who made Ruiz AJ and were apparently trying to make Fury AJ with Eddie were not on the same level as Turki is.

It's amazing how Wilder fanboys continue to come with new excuses for Wilder turning down that DAZN deal. Excuses that even Wilder and his team never thought about at the time! We know why he turned it down. He turned it down because he was under Al Haymon's thumb and Haymon didn't want the biggest fight in boxing going to DAZN in the US, rather than Showtime.

The 2 fights with AJ absolutely were guaranteed in the contract DAZN offered to Wilder, contingent on Wilder winning his mando vs Breazeale and AJ not losing either. AJ's Sky contract wouldn't have stopped him fighting on DAZN in the US. DAZN weren't even operating in the UK at that time.

AJ's Sky contract would have prevented him accepting the $50million offer he got from Finkel because, as we later found out, part of the funding for that offer came from BT Sports, who wanted to screen the fight in the UK, and AJ had an exclusivity deal with Sky in the UK.

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Isn't it sweet...The renaissance of the Joshuastans!! Lol... Very entertaining! is the gimp in yet? I see Daggum! Come one come all Joshuastans!! Rally!!! Kafkod? You there? of course!!!

Joshua who never beat one of the best heavyweights of his era... Bruno level! Yayyy!!!!

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It's amazing how Wilder fanboys continue to come with new excuses for Wilder turning down that DAZN deal. Excuses that even Wilder and his team never thought about at the time! We know why he turned it down. He turned it down because he was under Al Haymon's thumb and Haymon didn't want the biggest fight in boxing going to DAZN in the US, rather than Showtime.

The 2 fights with AJ absolutely were guaranteed in the contract DAZN offered to Wilder, contingent on Wilder winning his mando vs Breazeale and AJ not losing either. AJ's Sky contract wouldn't have stopped him fighting on DAZN in the US. DAZN weren't even operating in the UK at that time.

AJ's Sky contract would have prevented him accepting the $50million offer he got from Finkel because, as we later found out, part of the funding for that offer came from BT Sports, who wanted to screen the fight in the UK, and AJ had an exclusivity deal with Sky in the UK.

So you then make an excuse for AJ LOL no it was nothing to do with exclusive for BT. No1 Eddie did not want the fight neither did AJ. 2nd if there was a chance they make it, they did not want it in the US. That is where the money was from. You must be ****** if you think BT could fund 50m for just AJs pay. Only way it would generate enough to make it would have been the fight in the US primetime ppv there. Barry Hearn admitted they turned it down.

[kafkod]

So you then make an excuse for AJ LOL no it was nothing to do with exclusive for BT. No1 Eddie did not want the fight neither did AJ. 2nd if there was a chance they make it, they did not want it in the US. That is where the money was from. You must be ****** if you think BT could fund 50m for just AJs pay. Only way it would generate enough to make it would have been the fight in the US primetime ppv there. Barry Hearn admitted they turned it down.

Frank Warren said that Shelly Finkel showed him the details of that deal and he told Finkel there was no way AJ would accept it because part of the funding would have come from BT, who wanted to screen the fight in UK. That was the reason why Finkel refused to show Eddie Hearn the details unless AJ accepted the offer first. Of course, he knew there was no way AJ was going to do that, but he made the offer anyway, via social media, as a PR stunt.

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I think the issue is that people trashed on Wilder and want to alter history after his fights with Fury. When Wilder and team threw the 50mill at AJ, Wilder was scary. He was knocking out everyone. He went to face Povetkin twice and wasn't it twice that Povetkin popped dirty? Like people were freaked to face Wilder at that time.

Sure, you can fast forward and look at the Fury fights or even more recent times and trash Wilder for what has happened, but at that time, Wilder was super confident in himself. When he said you had to be perfect all 12rds and he only needed 1 second, he meant it. It was on full display in the second Ortiz fight. AJ was shook back then.

Great points. I do not pretend to know how fighters like Shavers, Ali, Norton and Lyle could sustain themselves in the face of the many wars they fought in the ring... But if I think crtically some clues emerge.... Fury was never really healthy with respect to his lifestyle. Those beatings caused a lot more damage (possibly) than a fighter who stayed in excellent condition at all times. The fighters mentioned above? All danced in the ring... for 15 rounds when necessary. Fury had a gas tank, but his lifestyle cut his physical qualities short. With Wilder? He did not know how to take a punch. He got hit flush...Perhaps this cut his own career short?

People were scared to face Wilder because his right hand was what it was... Joshua, even with superior skills would have shown himself to be a virtual Frank Bruno... He just did not have the dog in him that Wilder did. Wilder had the confidence because he could end it so quickly... heavyweights like Louis and Tyson held this understanding, it gives one a lot of strength to persevere under adverse fighting conditions.

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It's amazing how Wilder fanboys continue to come with new excuses for Wilder turning down that DAZN deal. Excuses that even Wilder and his team never thought about at the time! We know why he turned it down. He turned it down because he was under Al Haymon's thumb and Haymon didn't want the biggest fight in boxing going to DAZN in the US, rather than Showtime.

The 2 fights with AJ absolutely were guaranteed in the contract DAZN offered to Wilder, contingent on Wilder winning his mando vs Breazeale and AJ not losing either. AJ's Sky contract wouldn't have stopped him fighting on DAZN in the US. DAZN weren't even operating in the UK at that time.

AJ's Sky contract would have prevented him accepting the $50million offer he got from Finkel because, as we later found out, part of the funding for that offer came from BT Sports, who wanted to screen the fight in the UK, and AJ had an exclusivity deal with Sky in the UK.

You know about these negotiations? Wow! How did you get such inside info? Was it Sweet lemon pledge smelling Eddy blowing smoke up your rear? .

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Frank Warren said that Shelly Finkel showed him the details of that deal and he told Finkel there was no way AJ would accept it because part of the funding would have come from BT, who wanted to screen the fight in UK. That was the reason why Finkel refused to show Eddie Hearn the details unless AJ accepted the offer first. Of course, he knew there was no way AJ was going to do that, but he made the offer anyway, via social media, as a PR stunt.

No Frank himself said AJ and his team ducked Wilder in those same interviews you refer to. The funding was not coming from BT all he said is that was a query from Shinkel how much they would pay to broadcast it, that was never the reason as it doesn't even get that far till far into negotiagions. The funding like i said was a US based fight. AJ and Eddie ducked it is facts if you actually followed everything. Remember out of Fury AJ and Wilder AJ not being made what is the theme in both? AJ. Him and his team were the problem. Go see Eddies dad posting "Glad we did not take the 50m offer" after Wilder Fury. Go listen to AJ say "no one can rush me" The PR stunts in both cases Wilder AJ and Fury AJ, were by Eddie Hearn.

AJ was hyped to take over US when Miller/Ruiz fight was hyped up, got beat up in and never mentioned US again, him and his team have never mentioned going back again

[kafkod]

You know about these negotiations? Wow! How did you get such inside info? Was it Sweet lemon pledge smelling Eddy blowing smoke up your rear? .

I am one of those strange people known as "hardcore boxing fans" who don't only watch fights, but also spend way to much time, on YouTube, X/Twitter, and at news sites like this one, following boxing news and listening to interviews with people who work in the industry. I heard Eddie Hearn, in multiple interviews, say that the only part he played in DAZN's offer to Wilder was to give his guarantee that AJ would fight Wilder if Deontay accepted the offer. Nobody from Wilder's team contradicted him on that. I also heard Frank Warren, in 2 interviews with UK boxing channels on YT, say that BT Sport were involved in the $50million offer to AJ and that he told Shelly Finkel there was no way the offer would be accepted.

[kafkod]

No Frank himself said AJ and his team ducked Wilder in those same interviews you refer to. The funding was not coming from BT all he said is that was a query from Shinkel how much they would pay to broadcast it, that was never the reason as it doesn't even get that far till far into negotiagions. The funding like i said was a US based fight. AJ and Eddie ducked it is facts if you actually followed everything. Remember out of Fury AJ and Wilder AJ not being made what is the theme in both? AJ. Him and his team were the problem. Go see Eddies dad posting "Glad we did not take the 50m offer" after Wilder Fury. Go listen to AJ say "no one can rush me" The PR stunts in both cases Wilder AJ and Fury AJ, were by Eddie Hearn.

AJ was hyped to take over US when Miller/Ruiz fight was hyped up, got beat up in and never mentioned US again, him and his team have never mentioned going back again

Mate, you are full of shit. I'm not going to bother responding to any more of your crap in this discussion.

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They are brothers in arms because Fury ruined Wilder and in turn was diminished himself after their trilogy.