Is Turki Alalshikh getting a return from his investment in boxing?

[jqSide]

Turki is doing wonderful things in boxing, but that doesn't mean his fights are free. They're still being sold by authorized sellers in the US, I don't know who owns the rights to sell them and rights to go after pirates. And just as PBC fans are happy to see good PPV outcome, there are others who want to know what the PPV numbers are on Turki's cards. Like you said "there are still a good number of people" that buys PPVs because streams are choppy, etc. So again, where are the numbers of those who are buying?

[LarryMerchant'sBottle]

Turki is doing wonderful things in boxing, but that doesn't mean his fights are free. They're still being sold by authorized sellers in the US, I don't know who owns the rights to sell them and rights to go after pirates. And just as PBC fans are happy to see good PPV outcome, there are others who want to know what the PPV numbers are on Turki's cards. Like you said "there are still a good number of people" that buys PPVs because streams are choppy, etc. So again, where are the numbers of those who are buying?

No, his fights are definitely not free, although they are more affordable. Like you, I'm interested in knowing how many folks are buying his fights, not to gloat or to ridicule, but rather to follow the popularity of the sport.

Why the numbers aren't being revealed is a good question though.

[jqSide]

No, his fights are definitely not free, although they are more affordable. Like you, I'm interested in knowing how many folks are buying his fights, not to gloat or to ridicule, but rather to follow the popularity of the sport.
Why the numbers aren't being revealed is a good question though.

This conversation is going nowhere when there's zero info on PPV numbers when it comes to non-PBC fights. You mentioned earlier that the reason for this is because, in GBP's case, for instance, they're hiding the figures so that fighters would be kept from asking for more money. That's fair but what about in Turki's cards? Such motive is non-existent. Fighters are offered flat fees and according to Bob Arum, who admiringly says Turki negotiates with fighters individually and there's no such thing as purse % splits. They're asked to name their price and settles with Turki's final offer. Never heard of any report of fighters demanding upside money.

You should be wondering why only PBC supporters come up with numbers, which are subject to verification. What's your theory? I have mentioned mine and simply concurred with others that such numbers are fake and exaggerated. If piracy is rampant, why is PBC still getting these huge numbers? And like others said, 100,000 PPV buys is massive compared to non-PBC fights which is basically zero.

I would just leave it at that.

[LarryMerchant'sBottle]

This conversation is going nowhere when there's zero info on PPV numbers when it comes to non-PBC fights. You mentioned earlier that the reason for this is because, in GBP's case, for instance, they're hiding the figures so that fighters would be kept from asking for more money. That's fair but what about in Turki's cards? Such motive is non-existent. Fighters are offered flat fees and according to Bob Arum, who admiringly says Turki negotiates with fighters individually and there's no such thing as purse % splits. They're asked to name their price and settles with Turki's final offer. Never heard of any report of fighters demanding upside money.

You should be wondering why only PBC supporters come up with numbers, which are subject to verification. What's your theory? I have mentioned mine and simply concurred with others that such numbers are fake and exaggerated. If piracy is rampant, why is PBC still getting these huge numbers? And like others said, 100,000 PPV buys is massive compared to non-PBC fights which is basically zero.

I would just leave it at that.

If you're asking me for my opinion on why PPV numbers for Turki cards aren't released, my answer is that I believe Turki pays the people in charge to keep those numbers private. That's my belief. Is it believable? Maybe, maybe not.

You feel that the numbers being released for PBC fights are false and exaggerated. I can't argue that because I simply do not know, but I'll take their word for it. If PBC were gonna exaggerate numbers, why not claim much higher numbers?

Why do you believe PPV numbers for Turki fights aren't being disclosed??

For the record, I'm not disagreeing with anything you are saying, but was simply adding to dialogue of a subject that I find intriguing.

[jqSide]

Why do you believe PPV numbers for Turki fights aren't being disclosed??

Hmm... I missed repeating this in my previous post. We're going in circles. They aren't disclosed, imho, simply because there's nothing to disclose. Only few bought the PPVs and most of them were watched for free. Simple as that. Let's say Fury vs Usyk sold 5K in the US, there's no point for whoever sells them in reporting such numbers. However, it's far better than concocting or manufacturing numbers that don't exist.

[LarryMerchant'sBottle]

Hmm... I missed repeating this in my previous post. We're going in circles. They aren't disclosed, imho, simply because there's nothing to disclose. Only few bought the PPVs and most of them were watched for free. Simple as that. Let's say Fury vs Usyk sold 5K in the US, there's no point for whoever sells them in reporting such numbers. However, it's far better than concocting or manufacturing numbers that don't exist.

Ok, so you're of the opinion that the numbers were so bad here in The States, that they would be embarrassing to disclose, that makes sense. I don't know how well the PPV numbers were in Europe, but it's safe to say that the Fury-Usyk fight wasn't targeted for the US Market, they might have done well in Europe.

We'll see how well his US cards do when Ryan, Haney, Pitbull, Teo and Boots go at it. I'd like to believe that we'll get to know those numbers for his US cards. If I'm not mistaken a figure was thrown around for his first Riyadh card here in the US. The Crawford-Madrimov card reportedly did around 100K. That obviously isn't a big number, but Bud isn't a big name so the low numbers were expected.

I think Pitbull was a co main to try and capitalize off the big Mexican community in LA, to try and fill up the small stadium, but that didn't help the event too much.

[Marchegiano]

I'm fairly certain the STC is airing Riyad to its people for free.

[crimsonfalcon07]

As someone who buys the PPV cards, I will say that the legit streams are often terrible quality, prone to major technical issues. Had all kinds of issues with Fury v Usyk 2, almost every PPV on ESPN, and Spence v Crawford. And I'm paying top dollar for the fastest fiber speeds and top of the line modem and Wi-Fi 7 mesh routers and appropriately rated Ethernet cables. If you're paying for PPV for quality, I'm not sure you're getting what you're paying for. I'm often not, anyways.

[11player]

Saudi is losing big financial wise, on these boxing cards. But they are getting the exposure they seek.

As a boxing fan I am gratefull and enjoying it while it lasts.

[brettWall]

Saudi is losing big financial wise, on these boxing cards. But they are getting the exposure they seek.

As a boxing fan I am gratefull and enjoying it while it lasts.

Good to know and good for you. How many of Turki's PPV have you bought brother? There was one big card recently in the US. How much did you spend on that one? How many PPVs did you buy last year? They are cheaper. Twice cheaper.