Is Turki Alalshikh getting a return from his investment in boxing?

[rickJen]

I think the whole point is amplify the influence of the Kingdom but there's absolutely no point because you can get a much better Roi doing things other than spending on boxing. Boxers are tremendously overpaid beyond their commercial value and there's no point. You can do a lot more impact by investing in other sports that have higher viewership.

Good point. They could have better ROI if they engage in producing movies, imho.
No doubt they could do it as seen in cinematic previews of their big boxing events.
Not all people watch boxing, but almost all watch good movies from all walks of life.
Plus a movie production employs hundreds if not thousands of people.
And if "fantastic" figures are to be believed, it's far better to spread them around
instead of being given to only one or two boxers.

[HisExcellency]

The grand plan is to open up and make Saudi the next big tourist and investment destination in the region kinda what Dubai did. They believe they got a bad reputation because of decades of tight restrictions, closed society, laws, and underdevelopment and have much more to offer than others in the region in terms of variety (it is a much larger country), consumer market (larger population), economic opportunities (it is the largest economy in the region), investment (trillion dollar + economy), development (they have bigger funds to make bigger things), etc.

It is not just boxing but overall development along the Red Sea, developing historic tourist destinations (al Ulaa), building hotels and resorts, office and residential skysc****rs, opening up investment opportunities, long-term residency, making companies make Saudi their regional headquarters if they want Saudi govt contracts, changing labor laws, relaxing other strict laws, relaxing visa restrictions, etc. Sure it will take time because nothing happens overnight and laws need to be changed gradually to prevent unrest but they are on track with that vision and all these events are part of rebranding the country.

So, that is where their return on investment lies, not in making a profit from boxing fights.

100%…the Saudis have seen the kind of money neighbouring Dubai is bringing in after becoming the Vegas of the Middle East and want a piece of the action. In addition to boosting tourism, they also want to change the image of the country from a strict, Islamic nation with a poor human rights record to a more tolerant, globally acceptable society.

That’s why they’ve also invested heavily in other sports too such as Football & Golf after signing some of the best players in the world. However, unlike those sports which are already very well established in the West, Boxing is more disconnected due to inter-promotional rivalry which has allowed Turki to capitalise by bringing everybody together under one roof.

[jqSide]

It shows some sectors of the media, fans, youtubers, apologists, are only interested in manufacturing ppv numbers when it comes to PBC fights despite the fact that they're pricier and not affordable to many people. All the rest are neither worth watching nor paying for despite being cheaper. To me 100K is even hard to achieve in this day and age of mass cheating.
Look at how people on Youtube and social media can lie casually:

"FINALLY $150M CONTRACT SIGNED" Crawford vs Canelo MEGA fight CONFIRMED!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5dIByrRA-8

"CONTRACT SIGN DONE FOR $500M" Crawford vs Canelo Unbelievable 2025 Showdown...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6ydjKbVSUQ

These were posted a month ago. They keep doing it even when already proven wrong, and in these cases nothing is signed yet. The numbers themselves are egregious.

Looking at those figures it's hard to believe anything reported coming out from this sport. Everyone is inflating figures to the point where it's no longer believable. Everyone is lying about purses, ppv numbers, offers made, etc.

[Zelda]

The grand plan is to open up and make Saudi the next big tourist and investment destination in the region kinda what Dubai did. They believe they got a bad reputation because of decades of tight restrictions, closed society, laws, and underdevelopment and have much more to offer than others in the region in terms of variety (it is a much larger country), consumer market (larger population), economic opportunities (it is the largest economy in the region), investment (trillion dollar + economy), development (they have bigger funds to make bigger things), etc.

It is not just boxing but overall development along the Red Sea, developing historic tourist destinations (al Ulaa), building hotels and resorts, office and residential skysc****rs, opening up investment opportunities, long-term residency, making companies make Saudi their regional headquarters if they want Saudi govt contracts, changing labor laws, relaxing other strict laws, relaxing visa restrictions, etc. Sure it will take time because nothing happens overnight and laws need to be changed gradually to prevent unrest but they are on track with that vision and all these events are part of rebranding the country.

So, that is where their return on investment lies, not in making a profit from boxing fights.

[elfag]

No they are losing money on it and they dont seem to care. Its to promote Saudi Arabia as a brand as a country ect. Same way Zaire government paid for rumble in the jungle.

[LarryMerchant'sBottle]

Oh wow, I haven't thought about this. You're right. I haven't seen any PPV number on the Saudi promoter's fights. People are raving about the magnitude of his fights, yet no one is releasing any PPV result. I wonder why.

The Royal Family had a journalist killed for not keeping secrets. If these guys have told folks to keep their mouths shut about PPV numbers, well..................

[maguirre]

I have already mentioned the answer to this in post#37 of page 4, which is the one you cut.

"Even if the objective is not monetary gain, doesn't anyone or his own people want to know what the viewership # is; how many people he's reaching for whatever message he's delivering? TV shows and non PPVs are measured in ratings, which may have different reasons, but similar objectives."

I don't know about you but I for one am interested in the numbers, just to see comparisons whether the other platform is truly honest in their reporting of ppv numbers.

How about giving your own estimate on Turki's ppv numbers from past fights? Can you do that? Just ballpark figures in the US.

Oh wow, I haven't thought about this. You're right. I haven't seen any PPV number on the Saudi promoter's fights. People are raving about the magnitude of his fights, yet no one is releasing any PPV result. I wonder why.

[JeBron Lamez]

I think the whole point is amplify the influence of the Kingdom but there's absolutely no point because you can get a much better Roi doing things other than spending on boxing. Boxers are tremendously overpaid beyond their commercial value and there's no point. You can do a lot more impact by investing in other sports that have higher viewership.

As others have pointed out many times in this thread, ROI is not a consideration.

Boxing is one of a miniscule number of sports that has events which are remembered for decades all around the world (think Louis vs Schmelling, Rumble in the Jungle, 'No Mas', Tyson's first defeat, Floyd vs Manny).

It isn't about the highest ROI or real-time audience whatsoever. It's about prestige, perception, politics & gaining recognition as a 'first world' nation.

[Groin Grabber]

He can't answer a simple question. That says a lot and you can tell why he's got this everything about Turki is free mentality.

Lmfao why you crying so much? That's the big question.

[jqSide]

I think the whole point is amplify the influence of the Kingdom but there's absolutely no point because you can get a much better Roi doing things other than spending on boxing. Boxers are tremendously overpaid beyond their commercial value and there's no point. You can do a lot more impact by investing in other sports that have higher viewership.

Which is why Showtime left boxing. HBO invested it in more profitable ventures like Game Of Thrones, which employed thousands of people from tailors, carpenters, extras, stuntmen, actors, designers, you name it. Average of $10 million per episode depending on the complexity of the scenes. In boxing $10 mil is still not enough for one person. That is if fakenews writers are to be believed.