Comments Thread For: How much could the Saudi Arabia mirage eventually cost boxing?

[MusoMeanderings]

sounds like a race to the bottom

The main difference between Hitler and Usain Bolt is that Usain finished a race.

[MusoMeanderings]

Have any of you lot thought that Haymon might be just a bad businessman?

[DClefthook]

So why can Canelo fight Mungia and Berlanga 2 DAZN fighters, but Tank can't fight Shakur, now a DAZN (matchroom) fighter.

Didn't Al Hayman want to make a bunch of crappy fights on PPV?(Thurman PPV vs Barrios and King Kong Ortiz PPV) Vs
great match ups like Fury vs Usyk and Beterbiev vs Bivol on PPV. That's the reason they crtitized Haymon and are praising Turki.

Look at how long it took for Spence vs Crawford to happend due to Haymons advice.

Tell me a match of the level of Fury vs Usyk and Beterbiev vs Bivol Haymon has done post Mayweather era?

Oh shyte I'll take this one...EASYYYY WORK!!! (1) "So why can Canelo fight Muni".... Because Dazn can't afford Canelo anymore and they have to let PBC make those PPV fights because only Amazon can turn a profit with Canelo PPVs....... (2) "That's the reason they criticized Haymon and are praising Turd-ki".... The media started to criticize PBC at their formation in 2013 and Thurman v Barrios and Andy v Kong wasn't until 2022. The American media isn't as clairvoyant as you think ....... (3) "Look how long it took for Spence"....Bud Crawford was with Top Rank from 2008 - 2022 where he was advised by Bob Arum which if you can add is around 14 years. Bud vs Spence happened in 2023 under the stewardship of Al Haymon. Soooo 14 years...1 year...I don't know you do the math genius...... (4) "Tell me a match of the level of fury Usyk that Haymon has done".....WTF!!!!! Tank vs Ryan 1.4mill- Canelo vs Plant 850k - Bud vs Spence 750k - Canelo vs Munguis 700k... Usyk vs Fury did 1,5 mill PPV buys with most coming from the UK at 24.99 and the fight still lost 100 million dollars due to piracy and a low gate. There is no fight in the UK or Saudi that can compare to what Haymon can do in America. Stop it. Do your research before you post gibberish son!!!

[DClefthook]

If Haymon had created PBC as a fight league and showered all the promoters big and small with that wall street, investment firm money, he most likely would have succeeded with whatever his original plans were for that said entity.

Haymon was on high off of the massive, financial success of Mayweather vs Pacquiao, he thought he could replicate those numbers with Mayweather alone but failed, epicly.

Did you say Haymon thought he could build off May vs Pac but failed epically? You do you Haymon put on the May vs Mac fight 2 years later which generated over 600 million right????....hold on let me break it down for you dummies...it's Sunday and I GOT TIME 2DAY PARTNA!!!

[wrecksracer]

As a hard core American boxing fan can you please enlighten me on all the fights that we didn't get that the Iron shiek is now giving us?

well, there's Wilder's second career as a punching bag. I'm not sure we would have seen an undisputed heavyweight champion. Assuming Beterbiev vs Bivol actually happens, I doubt that fight would have gotten made. It's a good point, though. They really haven't taken over anything. There's been a few good cards with mainly heavyweight fights that might not have gotten made.

[DClefthook]

If Haymon had created PBC as a fight league and showered all the promoters big and small with that wall street, investment firm money, he most likely would have succeeded with whatever his original plans were for that said entity.

Haymon was on high off of the massive, financial success of Mayweather vs Pacquiao, he thought he could replicate those numbers with Mayweather alone but failed, epicly.

Top 20 PPV fights in the US post May vs Mac 2018-23 ....1. Tank vs Ryan (PBC 1.4 mill) ... 2. Wilder vs Fury II (PBC/TR 850k) ... 3. Canelo vs Plant (PBC 800k) ... 4. Canelo vs Charlo (PBC 750K) .... 5. Spence vs Crawford (PBC 700k) ... 6. Wilder vs Fury III (PBC/TR 650k) .... 7. Canelo vs 3G (MR 550k) .... 8. Canelo vs Bivol (MR 520k) .... 9. Thurman vs Pacman (PBC 500k) .... 10. Jake Paul vs Woodley (MVP 500k) ... 11. Jake Paul vs Nate Diaz (MVP 450k) ... 12. Pacman vs Broner (PBC 400k) ..... 13. Spence vs Garcia (PBC 375k) .... 14. Spence vs Porter (PBC 350k) .... 15. Tank vs Rolly (PBC 275k) ...16. Wilder vs Ortiz II (275k) ... 17. Spence vs Danny (PBC 250k)... 18. Pacman vs Ugas (PBC 250k) .... 19. Tank vs Leo (PBC 225K) ....20. Spence vs Ugas (PBC 225k)

[DClefthook]

Do you notice that all but four of the top 20 were done by PBC. The two that MR/Dazn did were after they dropped that silly "PPV is dead" BS and put Canelo on game but even with him they CANNOT generate PPV sales like PBC can hence the reason why Canelo left them. Do you not realize that Canelo, Pac, Tank and Tyszu are looking at these numbers and they made a business decision to not partner with the Iron Sheik but stay with Haymon. You guys are really fuqing stoopid. I'm sorry to have fuqed your whole day up with a list of facts but that's what I'm here for. So carry on because I know you are in your grandmommie's basement about to have your weekly menage a trois with your left and rights hands so I hope I didn't 'screw' that up as well! hahahahah

[BrankoB]

Boxers and promoters will just take advantage of this saudi gravy train while it lasts. It'll become un sustainable at one point no matter how much oil money saudis make every 15min, nobody likes red numbers. Not even for the sake of 'country promotion' and 'sportwashing'. At some point the real backing behind Turki will have to cut the money flow into boxing.

I agree 100% and have written posts in the past with pretty much the same sentiment. Nobody has bottomless pits of money that they can afford to keep throwing away forever. At some point, it will stop. It has to because it does not make any economic sense to keep loosing money forever.

[Liondw]

It is possible that Saudi might just stop the big spending in boxing and that could be it.

Understandably the fighters and promoters want to cash in now, strike while the iron is hot.

In terms of sport washing, it's a fair debate. But then does one stop all boxing in other countries because of their atrocities? Has America and the UK been innocent, no.

[JohnnyCan]

Do you notice that all but four of the top 20 were done by PBC. The two that MR/Dazn did were after they dropped that silly "PPV is dead" BS and put Canelo on game but even with him they CANNOT generate PPV sales like PBC can hence the reason why Canelo left them. Do you not realize that Canelo, Pac, Tank and Tyszu are looking at these numbers and they made a business decision to not partner with the Iron Sheik but stay with Haymon. You guys are really fuqing stoopid. I'm sorry to have fuqed your whole day up with a list of facts but that's what I'm here for. So carry on because I know you are in your grandmommie's basement about to have your weekly menage a trois with your left and rights hands so I hope I didn't 'screw' that up as well! hahahahah

No idea who you’re talking to on your rantings but you seem very hurt and defensive? You and others disagree about things. Not going to change no matter what, period. Try to relax my friend.