Comments Thread For: How much could the Saudi Arabia mirage eventually cost boxing?

[DClefthook]

I was not talking about money, I was talking about Levels of Quality, if that's the case Jake Paul much more PPVs thans most of the fighters. The only one is Crawford vs Spence. So Haymon could do May vs Pac, Wilder vs Fury, but couldn't make Spence vs Crawford while he was with Top Rank. Crawford had to fight David cause Haymon didn't want to do a fair contract. He couldn't even make Shakur vs Tank now that he is a FREE Agent, no "Top Rank" involved now. Shakur being calling it for years.What the excuse now?

Turki is not there to make profit, he is there to promote Riyadh Season.

Haymon had to offer Canelo more so he wouldn't leave his ass. He overpaid so the Amazon wouldn't seem like a flop. That was one of the bargains to get the Amazon deal.

"Levels of quality"...Wtf?? Are we just making shyte up mow? Smh. Listen, there is just no help for people like you. You have s pre disposition to believe untruths about certain people that no amount of evidence, facts or science fan convince you otherwise. If you believe that Haymon could have made a deal with Crawford while he was contractually obligated to TR then I don't know what to tell you. If you think that Haymon has some magical spell to make Shakur do business then again what do you want me to say.

[DClefthook]

Kurt Emhoff has a vested, ethnic interest in opposing anything the Saudis do. He is a member of the most agressive group of "victims" on the planet. There are lots of reasons pro and con for having one entity overseeing a sport, but if you think Emhoff, Bob Arum or Ben Shalom will support anything Saudi, you're not being realistic.

Usually the people who are always accusing someone of acting like a victim are the ones themselves acting like victims

[boxingitis]

"Levels of quality"...Wtf?? Are we just making shyte up mow? Smh. Listen, there is just no help for people like you. You have s pre disposition to believe untruths about certain people that no amount of evidence, facts or science fan convince you otherwise. If you believe that Haymon could have made a deal with Crawford while he was contractually obligated to TR then I don't know what to tell you. If you think that Haymon has some magical spell to make Shakur do business then again what do you want me to say.

Pacman and Fury had contracts with Top Rank what science do you need to understand that. You just mention a bunch of PPV involving PBC and Top Rank, then make excuse the sentence after blaimg Top Rank. Make it make sense. Every fight that doesn't happen you will always blame Top Rank.

[DClefthook]

Pacman and Fury had contracts with Top Rank what science do you need to understand that. You just mention a bunch of PPV involving PBC and Top Rank, then make excuse the sentence after blaimg Top Rank. Make it make sense. Every fight that doesn't happen you will always blame Top Rank.

Tsk tsk tsk....if it takes all my life I swear I'll make you a believer! May vs Pac totaled almost 700 mill so it was a no brainer for them to work together. Wilder vs Fury was the biggest HW fight in the world at the time and the first big one in America in about 20 years so that was a no brainer. I have never blamed TR for not making a fight. I blamed Bud for resigning with TR in 2018 when he shouldve signed with PBC to fight all the WWs. Just like I blame Shakur for doing the same thing. Get yo facts str8t son!

[BlazeNYC]

truthhurts Sometimes - I've met Emhoff and spoken to him and he's not ***ish. Considering Arum and Shalom not only have their fighters all over these Riyadh cards but also were ringside in LA shaking hands with Turki - this just seems like a really dumb post.

[hennanra1000]

Usually the people who are always accusing someone of acting like a victim are the ones themselves acting like victims

And yet Americans are playing victims to Saudi involvement and putting all this nationalistic nonsense before the sport itself (or brown nosing their favourite promoters).

I care nothing for any promoter irrespective of race or creed - they all played their part in killing so many boxers careers even of their own race.

Fury vs Usyk, AJ vs Usyk 2, Wilder vs Parker, Hrgovic vs Zhang, AJ vs Dubois, just in HW division alone (Beterbiev vs Bivol also in LHW) because of Saudi involvement finally answered so many unanswered questions including exposing many by luring them with money and elevating the support. Essentially because of Saudi involvement we get two divisions having a unified champion for first time in TWO DECADES.

Yep they were arrogant with Canelo but someone needs to end monopoly of fighters who made it to top being ALLOWED to lock out upcoming fighters for YEARS from fighting for their RIGHTS to the title. For Tszyu Turki crossed the line and he needs to be careful to check his ego. The balancing act of bringing all promoters and sanctioning bodies together was nearly impossible without an external party (not US or UK).

You talk about others denying facts and science yet can’t be truthful about a lot of stuff.

[fistandfury]

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lol if he woulda thrown money at all these promoters like turkey does it'd been the same thing as what is happening now. they wanted to sink all the promotions but themselves allegedly, and got push back. wish ppl weren't so quick to grasp at racism. it's goofy and usually not the case. selfishness is the reason way more than racism in the world. and 9/10 ppl would rather be around any American race than someone with tablecloths on their heads . those ppl truly are a hated bunch here In America. stop with pitiful race card. our ears are now Numb to it, it gets used so much. ppl care about money and power. and that is the cause[/QUOTE

With all due respect, you are not in a position to tell ANYONE what their perspective should or should not be. As opposed to publishing an informative and educated response, you instead, belittle credible dialogue, label those with concerns of institutional racism goofy, and then, I suppose in your own, way, attempt to put a bandaid on it. A repulsive post man, you might need to sit this one out, you seem to be projecting some pretty hateful feelings.

[jas]

Outside saudi shows and some pbc shows , boxing isnt delivering many good cards

Saudi is good for boxing

Lets not overthink this one

[Claude Palle]

I have been singing this song on this website for months. The Saudi Boxing King cannot continue to spend this type of money with minimal return, as I said, and as the article indicates, NOBODY has the money to continue at this pace. Tris nailed this one, including his poignant observation that when Haymon did the same thing, he was picketed, but this international, not even an American, is a savior. Institutional racism at it's core, a retroactive black eye on boxing no doubt about it.

Haymon did not do the same thing. At least these dudes are having the best fight the best. When exactly did Haymon ever do that? He had his top guys fight stiffs. Totally different situation!

[Daniel Skillman]

To be clear, what we are witnessing with the Saudi takeover of boxing, and all the potential negatives, is the out-playing of *capitalism. And, yes, it will, if left unchecked, end in a virtual monopoly which will vastly reduce the pay of everyone involved, except those Saudis at the top.

The alternative offered in this article, that of democracy, and having fighters and multiple promoters have a seat at the table and a vote again, to be very clear, is *socialism.

I've read Marx.
I'm not exaggerating.

And the truth is, the socialist vision is better here.

Incidentally, we see this sort of thing being played out all through American society right now as we come face to face with end stage capitalism. You might want to consider what the best solution is at the moment. Is it more and more control to the Saudi...er.... to the billionaires of industry? Or maybe, just maybe, should the people doing the actual work get the largest say about how the business is operated?

Just a thought.